#1
i love the tone you get from a zero-fret...is it possible to install one of these into any guitar? or is there a replacement like a metal nut or something?
#2
It is possible. you could either add abit of wood behind the nut and add a fret where the nut was or you could cut the nut lower and use the old first fret as a new zero fret.
#3
whats a zero-fret?
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#4
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whats a zero-fret?




It used so the tone of the open string is similar to a freted note, among other reasons.
#6
ive never seen that before....
what guitar brands use these?
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#7
Quote by dave293
It used so the tone of the open string is similar to a freted note, among other reasons.

I see now. Thanx
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^ The one in that pic is a gretsch. I can't think of any more of the top of my head.

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#9
gretsch. never heard of that too
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#10
Odd, I would take an open chord over barred any day.
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#11
Yeah I know, the things people do to be different...
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#13
i think fender did/does that to some models, ... ok maybe the "zero fret" model only lol.

i distinctly remember a bud showing me the zero fret fender bass they had, that leads me to believe that at some point they did it to their guitars too.
#14
It apparently compensates to better intonation too. It's a good idea.
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#16
I suppose your playing action is lowered as well with a zero-fret?

Plus I think the brian may guitar has a zero fret.
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It apparently compensates to better intonation too. It's a good idea.


Yep, your taking out the height from the nut.
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#19
hohners/steinburguers(SP?) have them too, i used to a a hohner ( you know, the headless guitar ) nad i loved the tone on it for open chords and i want that back! does anyone know how to install one or emulate the sound with say a metal nut or something?
#20
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It apparently compensates to better intonation too. It's a good idea.


How?

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Yep, your taking out the height from the nut.


That would just mean your nut isn't filed deep enough.


I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but lets not give it more credit than it deserves.
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#21
Quote by dave293
It is possible. you could either add abit of wood behind the nut and add a fret where the nut was or you could cut the nut lower and use the old first fret as a new zero fret.



not really....


the only way to really have it work is to take out all of the frets, fill the neck so it is basically a fretless, then re-fret with the zero fret.


btw ZERO FRETS ARE POINTLESS unless you are playing in open tuning more often than not.....
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#23
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How?

I don't know. I think like fronkpies said, what with it taking the height out of the nut helps, but I don't know the ins and outs of it TBH.
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#24
mnbaseball91 is right. The better intonation can be had simply by making sure the nut is filed deep enough. There is no reason that a bone nut can't have the strings sit just as low and a fret, altho it is much more difficult to make to file the nut that low because it's hard to gaudge how low is too low.


Some types of music (like Jazz) need the tone of the instrument to be the same all the way up and down the fretboard. They don't want the open strings to sound any different than the fretted strings. Zero fret makes this possible, but it makes it impossible to get that nice ring you get from an open string. The guitar will play there there are no open strings.

Some types of music (like folk) sound more interesting when you get that nice full ring from an open string. This extra ring is only possible with a "normal" nut. Also you can make that open ring more extream if the slots in the nut are not as deep. That does, however, make the guitar harder to play. If you want that open ring then you can't have a zero fret guitar.

To find out what you like best just tune your guitar down a half step and then play with a capo of the 1st fret. Do you like it better?
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#25
I know José Gonzalez does. Don't forget that tone is also affected by the reduced string tension.
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#26
hmmm thanks for all the info Corduroy! yes i do like that, kinda confusing, but i could get used to it i guess....
#27
Quote by Evan50150
not really....


the only way to really have it work is to take out all of the frets, fill the neck so it is basically a fretless, then re-fret with the zero fret.


btw ZERO FRETS ARE POINTLESS unless you are playing in open tuning more often than not.....


Not really...

you can use the first fret as the new zero fret. Its just like using a capo. And zero frets do have there uses.