#1
hey im kinda new theres probably a billion other posts for this but i couldnt find any..
you know how you make a simple progression with I, IV and V in major.
is it exactly the same for minor scales, and different scales?
for major it would be for C:
I C (maj)
ii D (min)
iii E(min)
IV F(maj)
V G(maj)
vi A(min)
vii B(dim)

what would a common thing for that be for a minor scale? or, for minor scales do you just refer to the relative major? any additions would be greatly appreciated.

also, is there an easy eay to remember and use the modes? when should you use modes?
cheers fellas!
- tommy
#2
any minor, mix it up a little (btw, that last chord is half-diminished)
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#3
In the different modes that entire what chords on what note things get shifted about

so in a major key you have: I ii iii IV V vi vii°

in a natural minor you'd get: i ii° bIII iv v bVI bVII

or from the harmonic minor you get: i ii° bIII+ iv V bVI vii°
(the b relates if to the flat from a major scale)
#4
Yes it is the same with minor scales.
In the key of Am the chords are..

i Am
ii Bdim
iii Cmaj
iv Dm
v Em
vi Fmaj
vii Gmaj

so a i-iv-v progression in the key of Am would be Am-Dm-Em

say ur playing in the key of A minor then the chords you will use will also be the chords used in the key of Cmajor, but if ur in the key of A minor, A minor will be ur root or i think you can call it your tonal center. In other words, in the key of Am, Am should sound like home, and in the key of Cmaj, Cmaj would should sound like home.

hope this helps

jaco
#6
Quote by jacoinmalawi

i Am
ii Bdim
iii Cmaj
iv Dm
v Em
vi Fmaj
vii Gmaj


Your aeolian chord progression is this:

Aeolian     ->  i   ii° bIII   iv   v  bVI  bVII


Therefore your chords would be:
Am

Cb Major
Dm
Em
Fb Major
Gb Major
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#9
Each mode has its own chord progression.
That chord progression is determined by the intervals of whichever mode your using.

If you use the Ionian mode, you have the intervals 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1.
You know the Major chord progression is I ii iii IV V vi vii°

Therefore, your Ionian chord progression in C is;
C Major
D Minor
E Minor
F Major
G Major
A Minor
B Diminished.

The next mode - Dorian.
Dorian is starts on the 2nd degree of the major scale, so your progression is:
i ii III IV v vi° VII

BUT the intervals in the dorian mode are: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1
Therefore, your chord progression for dorian will be:
i ii bIII IV v vi° bVII


Phrygian:
Phrygian Intervals: 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Phrygian Degree progression: i II III iv v° VI vii
Therefore, Phrygian Chord progression: i bII bIII iv v° bVI bvii


Infact, i can go on, here is the entire chord progression series for each mode of the Major scale:

Ionian      ->  I   ii   iii   IV   V   vi   vii° 
Dorian      ->  i   ii  bIII   IV   v   vi° bVII
Phrygian    ->  i  bII  bIII   iv   v° bVI  bvii
Lydian      ->  I   II   iii  #iv°  V   vi   vii
Mixolydian  ->  I   ii   iii°  IV   v   vi  bVII
Aeolian     ->  i   ii° bIII   iv   v  bVI  bVII
Locrian     ->  i° bII  biii   iv  bV  bVI  bvii



No, im not wrong.


Yes, i know Cb is enharmonic to B. However, for this purpose, i am using Cb, because i am making the chord progression DIATONIC.
I have already used the note B to construct the Diminished Chord. Therefore, i need a different note in order to make the next chord in line, hence, Cb.
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#10
Quote by Logz
No, im not wrong.


Yes, i know Cb is enharmonic to B. However, for this purpose, i am using Cb, because i am making the chord progression DIATONIC.
I have already used the note B to construct the Diminished Chord. Therefore, i need a different note in order to make the next chord in line, hence, Cb.


You'd be constructing it out of A major which has C# in it (along with F# and G#), add the b to it and it leaves you witha regular C as the third note
#11
Dam you seljer! Your not cool any more

EDIT: wait:

If you used the C Major scale as your root mode, then for the aeolian mode you'd be using the notes A B C D E F G A???

EDIT:
I see where ive gone wrong.
My appologies to jacoinmalawi, however, if that was the progression, it'd be right
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Last edited by Logz at Jun 24, 2006,
#13
root mode????
whats that? it doesn't make sense anyway.

The notes in D dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian, G Mixolydian, A aeolian, B Locrian is the same as the notes in C major ionian, just with a different starting point or root or tonal center.

Do you get what i am saying?
#14
sweet fellas thanks for ya contributions Logz did a good job!
peace out.
(go aussie in the world cup btw!)
- tommy
#15
Quote by jacoinmalawi
root mode????
whats that? it doesn't make sense anyway.

The notes in D dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian, G Mixolydian, A aeolian, B Locrian is the same as the notes in C major ionian, just with a different starting point or root or tonal center.

Do you get what i am saying?


Yes, i was confusing myself sorry.
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#17
hey why dont we create a Modes thread that is stickied? maybe bangoodcharlote and spaivx can do one together? its clear people are not understanding them properly and everyone adding their two pence worth doesn't help all the time ! Guys, you up for it? please?
#18
Quote by Applehead
hey why dont we create a Modes thread that is stickied? maybe bangoodcharlote and spaivx can do one together? its clear people are not understanding them properly and everyone adding their two pence worth doesn't help all the time ! Guys, you up for it? please?
I've wanted to sticky a mode thread for a while, but my PMs have not been responded to.