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#1
Alright, i was checking out the song by Norma Jean, Memphis will be laid to waste. so yeah i guess i dont know why i decided to wonder about lyrics about this song, cuz there are so many other, but.... the lyrics are confusing but cool, it really dosent matter, but anyone know what they mean? (mainly the last bit) or is it just like ranting on?
#3
Quote by werty22
They're not talking about hardcore punk, they're talking about "hardcore." It has little in common with its roots in the '80s.

Quote by recklessnick
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#4
no clue what it means, but it sounded good enough to make it my name
I am a breathing Time Machine!
#5
great song, i dont know what the words mean, but i scream them anyway at shows
#6
Oh, dude, I love Norma Jean. Their lyrics are phenominal. Definitely some of the best I've ever heard, i.e.;

"Walkin' to Wall Street, in a straight jacket!"
"Like bringing a knife to a gun fight"
"White tie, black jacket, I ain't seen you in a while"

Hahaha.
#7
I dont really like Norma Jean that much, but a friend of mine and I were listening to the lyrics and he's really into Jesus so we were analyzing the meaning one time.

I think the song could be about two different things;

First, very likely but not my prefered theory, it's about an ex-girlfriend who was just important enough to be hurt by, but not important enough to full-on be in absolute love with. Someone who betrayed "him" in the song.

Second, also very likely, and probably more likely considering that the band is Christian. This is the one my friend and I discussed much over. Said theory explained in the following few paragraphs;

We think that the song is about a person and any kind of temptation they have to sin, submitting to this temptation, but only going so-far due to the building guilt of selfishness against God and ultimately overcoming that temptation.

A few liner notes; Keep in mind that when I refer to "she" I'm not ONLY refering to a girl, but, to sin in general. I do not believe the band meant to enclose the idea that women are the cause of sin, and personally I do not believe women are the cause of sin. Hell, I don't even know if I believe in organized religion. I think the band just used a girl as the metaphor because, for a man, lust is the most common sin. Also, a girl is human, so she doesn't have to be believably personified like an inanimate object would, such as money.

Most of the elements are very metaphorical and should not be taken literally. The first and most obvious clue is the title, "Memphis will be laid to waste," Memphis being the home for the almost notorious "Mardi Gras." Now, the song is not particularly about Mardi Gras or even Memphis at all, it's just an implication that the song is about sin, since so much of it goes on during the Mardi Gras celebration. And he is "laying (this) to rest." So, if we replace Memphis with it's metaphorical interpretation "sin," we get "Sin will be laid to rest." By the end of the song, the man will no long be commiting sin.

There are a many number of clues within the lyrics, but I"ll just point out a few.

Everything was wrong so we sang sentimental songs
on how seldom we belong, but how elegant her kiss.

The two are relating to one another, talking about how terrible the world is. And they're kissing, blah blah blah, and having fun doing it. But, "he" knows that this is wrong.

..To a love so much refined,
we know not what it is.

Their love is so "pure" and unknown because it is actually just lust. Their inner, selfish desires.


all i know now is regret.

Easy. This is where the guilt has taken over.

Do you see me when we pass?
But I continue on my way.

Here and there, the temptation returns. With every girl that passes, every opportunity to lie, steal, betray for his own good, etc. But he passes these opportunities by because of what he has learned.

I mena, I'm not saying I'm right or anything, but here's an idea. You can believe it or not.
I play guitar
#8
im pretty sure
)Eric(Draven
was right with his second guess
but memphis isnt just memphis tennesse its also in the bible in isiah and jeremiah
its has quite a few references to memphis
#11
these are my favorite norma jean lyrics:
Yeah I'm buring faces, and covering the tracks
Your eyes are so nice, I want their focus
And it won't be long 'til, 'til you think twice of me.
We owe you nothing
Yeah the memory of a chance for you to be...
Keeps me glued, handcuffed to you
No apologizes this time, cause these 'lil guys numb my senses
I have some wishes left
And they're mine to keep
We give bitch to the facts, I accept I accept
And it may not make sense, but I felt your dead eyes
These tears are on tap
Goobye I'll send the letter tonight and it's addressed to you.

'Ever want to punch that which you love?
Ever wonder why you've been putting up with that which you hate?
Well you might know where I'm coming from then.'
I don't like as i lay dying
Last edited by aild2006 at Dec 9, 2007,
#12
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#13
memphis laid to waste is the only norma jean song i listen to because of aaron wisse at the end
#14
the lyrics mean I stole from botch and got famous from it
If looks could kill, my charm will scatter faceless dead bodies, everywhere
#16
Dear Norma Jean,
Please keep god out of hardcore. Thank you. The concept really goes against everything that hardcore means to most people. You can't live for yourself when you're begging on your knees. You can't do things for yourself when everything you do is through "him".
#18
Quote by XstygX
the lyrics mean I stole from botch and got famous from it


" Bless the Martyr " doesn't sound like botch at all, you can hear some slight influences.



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#19
Im still yet to find the lyrics in the booklet from Bless the Martyr.
Quote by werty22
They're not talking about hardcore punk, they're talking about "hardcore." It has little in common with its roots in the '80s.

Quote by recklessnick
when i ask questions. people reply with a stupid green smiley face sign

Heres lookin to you
#20
Quote by xKurtx
Dear Norma Jean,
Please keep god out of hardcore. Thank you. The concept really goes against everything that hardcore means to most people. You can't live for yourself when you're begging on your knees. You can't do things for yourself when everything you do is through "him".


im not christian but i disagree with that statement a lot
i think that just because you play x type of music you can't about x subjects
who's to say what you can say or not say in a song
its a song it art, you can limted a artist
#21
Quote by frd_marshll
im not christian but i disagree with that statement a lot
i think that just because you play x type of music you can't about x subjects
who's to say what you can say or not say in a song
its a song it art, you can limted a artist


Songs are art, hardcore is not. Hardcore is not a "style of music" in my opinion, it's a hell of a lot more. I was largely kidding with my earlier statement, but some of it does connect with me. Name one original hardcore band that was christian? Those original bands defined the genre so therefore a christian band can be influenced by hardcore, but cannot be a hardcore band.
#22
botch plays in botch
botch is the only band that plays in botch besides norma jean
#23
Quote by xKurtx
Songs are art, hardcore is not. Hardcore is not a "style of music" in my opinion, it's a hell of a lot more. I was largely kidding with my earlier statement, but some of it does connect with me. Name one original hardcore band that was christian? Those original bands defined the genre so therefore a christian band can be influenced by hardcore, but cannot be a hardcore band.



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If looks could kill, my charm will scatter faceless dead bodies, everywhere
#24
Quote by 875875511
botch plays in botch
botch is the only band that plays in botch besides norma jean

But Norma Jean plays Botch...
#25
Quote by xKurtx
Songs are art, hardcore is not. Hardcore is not a "style of music" in my opinion, it's a hell of a lot more. I was largely kidding with my earlier statement, but some of it does connect with me. Name one original hardcore band that was christian? Those original bands defined the genre so therefore a christian band can be influenced by hardcore, but cannot be a hardcore band.


so are you saying that you cant call yourself a certain style of music, unless you are origional?
the totally defies the reason of the word "genre"

and hardcore is a style of music.... its music, with its own style...
#26
Quote by N@TE!
so are you saying that you cant call yourself a certain style of music, unless you are origional?
the totally defies the reason of the word "genre"

and hardcore is a style of music.... its music, with its own style...


I'm am not even going to validate this with a real response. Get back to me when you figure out what the hell you are talking about.
#27
Name one original hardcore band that was christian? Those original bands defined the genre so therefore a christian band can be influenced by hardcore, but cannot be a hardcore band.
the fact that they are christian dosent change what kind of music it is
just because of what they talk about, dosn't change what style of music they play
maybe im reading it wrong, but thats what it looks like your saying
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There are a lot of Christian kids into hardcore now. There are labels making tons of money off of Christian hardcore. I'm disappointed that more people aren't pissed off about this. It seems like hardcore used to be a place where nerds and losers could make music and pretend to be revolutionary and try to question everything around them and here comes Christian hardcore with all of the answers just trust in Jesus. Trust in Jesus to keep you straightedge. Pray to god and Jesus and Mary and Joseph on the cross that the recording session goes well. You want to say that hardcore is a place where everyone is welcome and people with differing opinions can hang out and hold hands and sing together. COUNT me out! I think that Christianity and all religions for that matter have no place in hardcore. You disagree? Tell it to your priest. I'm not saying that I have all of the answers. But one thing i know is that trusting in god, Buddha, Allah, Krishna is no answer at all. HARDCORE IS ABOUT QUESTIONING THE WORLD AROUND YOU, RELIGION IS SURRENDER.

-Vocalist from MK Ultra

im guessing XKurtX was trying to make this point
If looks could kill, my charm will scatter faceless dead bodies, everywhere
#29
Quote by waldorphPRS41
Since when is Memphis the home of Mardi Gras? I've lived around Memphis my whole life.

I am a ****ing asshole

I read that **** just now again and I made no sense whatsoever. New Orleans is Mardi Gras. Memphis is Elvis. Ass.

My theory was ****ing horrible
I play guitar
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Quote by xKurtx
Dear Norma Jean,
Please keep god out of hardcore. Thank you. The concept really goes against everything that hardcore means to most people. You can't live for yourself when you're begging on your knees. You can't do things for yourself when everything you do is through "him".


hardcore is about expressing yourself. if you cant take other people being open about their beliefs, then go away. you arent hardcore. you my friend, are insecure. good day.

btw, NJ owns. best band ever.
#31
norma jean isnt even hardcore
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#32
Quote by Primate-Primus
norma jean isnt even hardcore

I was wondering when someone was gonna say this.
#33
Quote by !normajean!
hardcore is about expressing yourself. if you cant take other people being open about their beliefs, then go away. you arent hardcore. you my friend, are insecure. good day.

btw, NJ owns. best band ever.

Botch anyone?
#34
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#35
Quote by !normajean!
hardcore is about expressing yourself. if you cant take other people being open about their beliefs, then go away. you arent hardcore. you my friend, are insecure. good day.

btw, NJ owns. best band ever.


By calling Norma Jean the "best band ever" your opinion is null and void. Have a good day at middle school today.
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Quote by xKurtx
By calling Norma Jean the "best band ever" your opinion is null and void. Have a good day at middle school today.


he can express his opinion of the band as much as he can express his opinion of hardcore.
that dosent change a thing
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^yeah well, his opinion SUCKS
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#39
Quote by N@TE!
he can express his opinion of the band as much as he can express his opinion of hardcore.
that dosent change a thing

Well its really hard to take him serious when his favorite band is a band that just rips off one of the greats in metalcore.
#40
Quote by tomohawkjoe
Well its really hard to take him serious when his favorite band is a band that just rips off one of the greats in metalcore.


which rips off some other band, which rips of some other band , and the chain goes on
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