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#1
I am new to this thread, but have been using this website to play tabs of many of my favorite classic rock songs.

I was watching the movie/doc. "Heavy Metal" on Vh1 about a month ago, and at the end Dee Snider talks about the death of classic metal and classic rock. ( Before i continue, note that this is my first post and im not sure about the thread i should post this in.) He said that it had to die. But i cannot express really my opinion on wheather it had to die or not, because i was born as it was dying out into the new age music.

But ive given this alot of thought. I wonder what it would be like if this great music was still around, instead of the whinny punks who wear girl pants and whine about their life and get paid for it. I want people to give their opinion in this thread as to if and why classic rock and classic metal died.

(Personally i can not give a reason, like i said i did not grow up in this era, but i sure wish that this era could have lasted longer. I hate all the screaming whinny stuff today and just wish people would think about what it would be like if the great era of real music continued and did not "die".
#2
It's the nature of things. Things come and go, and classic rock/metal was no exception.
#3
well.. you know not EVERYONE wheres girly pants and whines about their life.... and classic rock was going to "die" anyway.... its a music genre... all things like that simply fade away with time. and its not even DEAD yet. do you know how many people still listen to the classics????

and ALOT of the music people are putting out today is good. its not the same as say, zeppelin, but its still GOOD.
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#4
new bands use old music in their songs cause all the good songs are taken by older bands so therefore i say this "hey hey, my my, rock n roll will never die" (i swear to god i didnt steal that from a song )
#5
i made a thread similar to this in the pit. i wish i couldve grown up in the 60's, so i could see these great bands such as hendrix and floyd in concert. i do feel the same way as you, less people are listening to it, but some people still do. i hope it never dies completely.
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#6
I will force my children to listen to classic rock. It will never die!
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#7
the reason classic rock died, was because the generation that allowed to even happen died.. it doesnt have to do with music or anyone becoming "less talented" or anything of that sort, its just the changing society.. not that its bad or worse, but that "flower generation" was a phase, and classic rock was a phase, and look at every generation thats listened to music.. look into the 80's with metal bands, think about how a kid in the 80's had different lifestyles than a kid in the 60's listening to the beatles. i mean seriously its dead because people change, people remember it and celebrate it, but its past it's phase
#8
I know people still listen to classics, because im one of them (i listen to everything from Grand Funk to Metallica). And yes alot of bands today wear girl pants because they focus more on the style and trend then on what their music sounds like. Please dont turn this into an argument thread. Just give an opinion thats not to negative.
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#9
mmm i cant wait till emo dies

and did u ever notice your parents always saying stuff like "o man i remember this song that brings back memories" and stuff liek that, well im wondering if people are going to be saying that about new music, like in 30 years sum1 hearing fallout boy or backstreet boys (or something gay like that) and saying wow i remember that song goood times i really couldnt imagine that its weird
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mmm i cant wait till emo dies

and did u ever notice your parents always saying stuff like "o man i remember this song that brings back memories" and stuff liek that, well im wondering if people are going to be saying that about new music, like in 30 years sum1 hearing fallout boy or backstreet boys (or something gay like that) and saying wow i remember that song goood times i really couldnt imagine that its weird


What's so wrong about that exactly? If I remember correctly, most people associate their music with happy memories. A tried and tested truth that's the same with the classical, romantic and even jazz eras, along with the classic rock era as you just pointed out.

What exactly is so bad about remembering that time you were having a blast with your friends doing whatever, and that Backstreet Boys (or in my case, N'Sync) song came on the air, and you remember how much you loved it?
#13
No genre of music should live longer than 10 years. After that it needs to evolve or it gets stale. If Classic Rock was still around in the same state you would be sick of it and asking why people can't make new music.

I've found plenty of good genres of music in both the past and present. Good music is there, but its always changing forms so you have to look for it.
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What exactly is so bad about remembering that time you were having a blast with your friends doing whatever, and that Backstreet Boys (or in my case, N'Sync) song came on the air, and you remember how much you loved it?


That reminds me of Harold & Kumar when they are in the Xtrememobile!
I think alot of friends have had a moment like that when they realize they actually enjoy the same shitty music that they would rip on before.
#15
no im not saying theres anything rong with it, i just cant imagine it its gona be weird lol
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That reminds me of Harold & Kumar when they are in the Xtrememobile!
I think alot of friends have had a moment like that when they realize they actually enjoy the same shitty music that they would rip on before.


The thing is though, pop music isn't bad at all. I mean it sounds pleasing, it's bright, upbeat, energetic, enjoyable. I don't mind it at all.
#18
in the 60's and 70's what we know as classic rock now was not called classic rock then, i dont think of classic rock as a style but more an era! i mean think about it bob dylan or the band sound nothing like pink floyd yet there both classic rock bands?
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#19
I see nothing wrong with wearing girl pants, I have three pairs.... they are quite comfortable. But also just tight pants in general are comfortable....
...and in case you haven't noticed... the style of tight pants came from the 1970's, and don't you think maybe the guys back then wore some girls pants too?

And also, there is plenty of amazing music since the fall of classic rock, and even now. A person just needs to look a little harder. So I don't mind at all that its gone, and it isn't even completely gone. There are many artists and bands still recording and touring after all these years. But of course the public gets bored of things that around for 25 years, so mainstreams change. Big deal....
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#20
in the late 70's ppl got burned out on it......it became the same thing.......(i dont think so, i love it all, but thats the way a lot of ppl thought)......then the 80;s came in, with all the hair stuff, and they burned out, then nirvana, and the 90;s came, and they eventually burned out........it couldnt revive again, because rap became "mainstream"........regardless of if u like the music now, u have to admit that there hasent been a "big" band since nirvana.....what comes up, must come down.........but its not truly dead, i will never be truly dead!! as long as there are ppl like us, rock will live......were the future, and the imprints that bands like led zeppelin, the who, hendrix, etc...gave us well pass on to the next generation of music........so really it will be forgotten, but will never die!
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#21
yeah if you think about it emo seems like a recreation of hair metal, everyone is copying each other and it'll eventually get so stale to where it all dies off all together and a new revolution will happen.
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The thing is though, pop music isn't bad at all. I mean it sounds pleasing, it's bright, upbeat, energetic, enjoyable. I don't mind it at all.


Yeah definately, I like a decent amount of pop music. Im especialy partial to Eurodance, or handbag trance as they called it in the US I think.

I meant the music Harold & Kumar were listening to. I don't really like that music at all, but sometimes for some reason I find myself partial to it (mostly when really pissed and giddy with friends). Its funny sometimes.
#23
I saw a thing on the 70's once. I though t ithis was weird but they said the downfall started with Peter Frampton spcifically the song DoYou Feel Like We Do. Before you get mad I love this song too and I thought it was wrong but it makes sense. After that song went huge companies started realizing that they could ened up making the same or more amounts of money by just having one big song. Of course later came music videos and the era ended. That doesn't mean its dead though. We all wanna play in bands and be like the classic rockers we listen to so they will hear it in our music.


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yeah if you think about it emo seems like a recreation of hair metal, everyone is copying each other and it'll eventually get so stale to where it all dies off all together and a new revolution will happen.

In a way yes, that does seem true. However, with 80s hair metal, at least the lyrics had some... validity... and on top of that, they had talent. Its mostly the record companys plucking bands that all sound alike from a huge group of bands. Its pretty apparent that this is the case. What are the odds that every band sounds like the crappy ones signed and promoted?

Regardless, responding to the topic, Classic Rock/Classic Metal are not dead. Its still around, abiet slightly changed, however no doubt still alive. People still are paying money to see The Rolling Bones Stones.
#25
Music evolves. If the music today sounded like it did in the 70s, I would probably be very bored.

There is more than enough Classic Rock already for me, I enjoy it and I don't need any more.
#26
Didnt the start of Mtv and music videos have a big effect on bands? As most bands just wanted to get a video out no matter what it sounded like?
#27
Yep thus making Paris hilton able to produce music.
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#28
I personally think that Nirvana but the final stake in the coffin of music. Hair Metal was, by some standards, bad, but it was still rock and roll... then Nirvana rolled in and made it cool to
A.) be really bad at playing your instruments
B.) focus more on image than music
C.) whine, bitch, and complain about everything
D.) blow your fockin' head off
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#29
The music and spirit of classic rock isn't dead.... just most of the musicians who made it.
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I personally think that Nirvana but the final stake in the coffin of music. Hair Metal was, by some standards, bad, but it was still rock and roll... then Nirvana rolled in and made it cool to
A.) be really bad at playing your instruments
B.) focus more on image than music
C.) whine, bitch, and complain about everything
D.) blow your fockin' head off


a) punk had been around since before the start of the 80s (and was killing the entire prog rock thing). And its not like Nirvana were virtuosos but they did play their instruments (and ended up doing I don't know what when they were asked to lip sync for Top of the Pops in Britain)
b) and what was hair metal about?
c) people have always been whining, and its not like Nirvana were all that whiney, angsty maybe but not in a whiney way (it has gotten out hand today though). Some other bands of that era kick ass (Soundgarden for example)
d) as opposed to drinking yourself to death

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#31
Classic rock will not die, at least most of it. People will listen to great bands such as Zeppelin and Floyd and feel the same things we feel, because people remain people in the end. Those songs have the same meaning now than they will have in the future. Most of the CDs we listen to have come from LPs, and they were converted because of how awesome they were, and they will probably make it to the next format, and so on.

Making it short: People like good music
Good music = Lives forever
Living isn't dying
Good music = Classic Rock
Classic Rock doesn't die
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#32
Classical music isn't dead, people still listen to it, and make it.

Same with any genre, people are still pumping out the old 50's style music somewhere.
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#33
Garcia made a very good point. Yeah i know people still create that style of music, i just wish it would come back into the spotlight so i guess i could just see how awesome of an era it was. But i guess times do change and sometimes have to.
#35
If "classic rock" was still being created it would be extremely boring. Having the same type of music around for 40 years... Come on, all you'd be hearing is replicas the whole time. If people willing to innovate and push the boundaries of music we wouldn't have the ability to be elitest with music. You wouldn't be able to go around saying, "new music sucks", and indie kids wouldn't be able to go around saying, "my band is cooler than yours because no one has heard of them". Ok, the second one you would be able to say, but still, you get the point. You need variety for a mixed society. If you had the same music being made for so long no one would like it anymore. There would be no classics as they will have been destroyed over and over and re-created more times than you can say 'a' in five minutes. Life would be dull.
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If "classic rock" was still being created it would be extremely boring. Having the same type of music around for 40 years... Come on, all you'd be hearing is replicas the whole time. If people willing to innovate and push the boundaries of music we wouldn't have the ability to be elitest with music. You wouldn't be able to go around saying, "new music sucks", and indie kids wouldn't be able to go around saying, "my band is cooler than yours because no one has heard of them". Ok, the second one you would be able to say, but still, you get the point. You need variety for a mixed society. If you had the same music being made for so long no one would like it anymore. There would be no classics as they will have been destroyed over and over and re-created more times than you can say 'a' in five minutes. Life would be dull.


exactly why no genre of music should live longer than 10 years. Im talking fairly specific genres here but still, after that long they tend to die out as you can't keep doing the same stuff for more than that long and not have it get bored and repetitive.
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No genre of music should live longer than 10 years. After that it needs to evolve or it gets stale. If Classic Rock was still around in the same state you would be sick of it and asking why people can't make new music.

I've found plenty of good genres of music in both the past and present. Good music is there, but its always changing forms so you have to look for it.


Yeah, if a certain type of music becomes popular too long, then everyone starts to do it, and personally I'd be pissed to see heavy metal on Sesame Street.
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#38
Evolving is part of human nature, its a phase that everything will go through sooner or later. If (what we call Classic Rock) had never died off then we would only be sick of it by this point. Differant genres come and go, but it's up to the listeners to ensure that the music stays timeless. You can't change human instict, so if one likes emo or something of the sort let them while you enjoy your music.

There hasn't and never will be a time when Classic Rock is dead because it is a genre of music supported by listeners who hear and think what others don't, and thats what keeps it alive.

In the meantime, embrace what was made in that time 'cause there certainly is no shortage of it... you just have to know where to look.
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Yep thus making Paris hilton able to produce music.


As far as pop songs go, her single is pretty good.

For the record, it should be noted that most people, if not all people, do not listen exclusively to one genre, in this case classic rock. People can like classic rock and modern rock and enjoy rap for example.

Take me for instance. I listen to practically everything. Classic Rock, Modern Rock, Jazz, Progressive Metal, Trip-Hop, Pop, Dance, House, Funk, Classical, Drum and Bass, a little bit of everything really.

And for a closing thought, most people automatically associate 'talent' with 'good music'. Something people need to ease up on. You do not have to be exceptionally skilled at your instrument to put out an excellent album/song. It just helps. N'Sync, for what it was worth, had some pretty killer tracks, and No Strings Attached was a great album if you ask me.
#40
Get over yourself, threadstarter. Maybe you would have rather lived in the 60's/70's/80's, but there's a lot of things that sucked about those time periods too. Even staying on the topic of music, there were thousands of bands that blew during that time. The ones you like were the best out of them which is why you can still buy their records today.

And I'm sure there's some music you'd like if you'd try. For example try Radiohead's OK Computer. Very classic feel to it, but it came out in '97. Try it.
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