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Hi!, Can anyone give me some tips on how to play scales? coz all i know in playing guitar are the basic chords, like, D Dm G Am B F stuffs like that, and i want to learn scales like a lead guitarist ... so can anyone teach me scales or give me some sites to learn more about scales and how to play them, I would really appreciate for some help. Thanks!
#2
Take lessons man.
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^ agreed.

lessons are a godsend for ANY level player.
you can never stop learning.
and if you cant take lessons.
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yeah lessons are really worth it, thats if you can afford them at the moment, and make sure they are good ones. I made a bad mistake by getting a teacher that was crap, and now i have no money and havnt really learnt much. But there are alot of helpfull websites
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I get lessons but they suck but its learning so hey, but try to teach yourself stuff, thats what i do. i bought a book of over 200 scales and i try to remember some, erm i can only just remember a C maj scale i think...
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jesus im torn between to worlds.. im in the same problem as this guy... i dono where to start! i dont know any music lingo or anything.. i just learned what a step was! its 2 frets... half a step is 1 fret... my guitar is tuned down 1 step..

I know one blues scale and been playing the **** out of it for a month now... i got some cool licks in it.

WTF IS THEORY!? i have no friggen clue what it is or how to find out what it is.. i need a book or something.. i need beginner lessons before i start taking lessons by myself...

i made a little thing up and some one told me to play it in 5th position or something.. i still dont know wtf he was talkin about..
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i hate to dampen all of your innocent souls but looking at a scale shape and moving on to the next is NOT the way to learn scales...learn them for what they are: notes...study some theory like intervals and learn how these scales are formed so that you can figure them out yourself...learn all of the notes on the neck and scales will come naturally to you and you won't have to painfully remember every single scale shape because it's just not going to happen...wouldn't you rather be able to look at your fretboard and "see" the notes of a scale instead of following patterns? i sure do...here's a great place to get you started on theory in general...study

http://www.online-guitar-lesson.com/index.html
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Get lessons if possible.

As for scales, learn the pentatonics, thats all you really need to know.
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Get lessons if possible.

As for scales, learn the pentatonics, thats all you really need to know.


no, not really
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Get lessons if possible.

As for scales, learn the pentatonics, thats all you really need to know.


You should definitely learn more than just pentatonics. They can take you quite a ways but learning different scales will only improve your playing. Besides, listening to guitarists belt out pentatonic solos all day gets boring fast. Mix it up.

But pentatonics are a great way to start. They're basically watered down versions of other scales. Great for blues.
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Get lessons if possible.

As for scales, learn the pentatonics, thats all you really need to know.


Hahaha, most ignorant thing I've ever read. Not true. Learn as much as possible.
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Look at the C A G E D system.

'nuff said


the CAGED system only yields five patterns and doens't span the entire fretboard, i believe learning the major scale through 3nps shapes which yields seven repeating patterns covering the entire fretboard is the best way to go...not only do you learn the whole major scale, but also the unique sounds of each of the modes, which is much more beneficial than just simply learning shapes...and again, everyone take a note that scales are NOT shapes, they are notes
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WTF IS THEORY!? i have no friggen clue what it is or how to find out what it is.. i need a book or something.. i need beginner lessons before i start taking lessons by myself...

i made a little thing up and some one told me to play it in 5th position or something.. i still dont know wtf he was talkin about..

theory is just how the notes work together - its basically just why a D chord is called a D chord and so on, but it also can get really technical like why the lead guitarist would play in the pentatonic scales while the rhythm guitarist is backing his solos with certain chords. (u dont really need to know tht but it really duz help even tho it seems useless).

and also, playing in the 5th position jus means to play with ur index finger playing the fifth frets and ur pinky playin the 8th frets
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That doesn't teach you how they work / why though.

Take lessons.

Well, I know how and why they work so it helps me, and I assume it'll help him the same once he gets good footing in music theory.
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the CAGED system only yields five patterns and doens't span the entire fretboard, i believe learning the major scale through 3nps shapes which yields seven repeating patterns covering the entire fretboard is the best way to go...not only do you learn the whole major scale, but also the unique sounds of each of the modes, which is much more beneficial than just simply learning shapes...and again, everyone take a note that scales are NOT shapes, they are notes


Shows how much you know pal.
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#26
Lessons are the best way cause you learn quicker. MUCH quicker.

But make sure you get a good teacher if you do take that route. I once had a teacher that geve 45 min lessons. 5 min were used to get his stuff. Another 10 was used to tune his guitar and mine. then five to put away his dogs. then 5 to think of what to do. That is 25 min gone. than when he tried to teach me he taught A CHORD and told me to repeat it over in rythym. Then he played lead for like 10 minutes and he got carried away.

Pointless story but watch out for those types of teachers.

My new teacher is great he specialises in lead so he taught me some chords, pentatonic major scale and he fixed up some bad technique. all in one lesson. He beleive that you have to know thery to know how to play music, so for 4 lessons we just did theory. ive been going to this new guy for 2 months and i can say i have improved a hell of a lot.
try find a good teacher and you will see, you will learn alot, and UNDERSTAND ALOT.
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#27
Screw you guys that say take lessons its the only way.

I believe let the man choose.

Ive learned it all by myself at my own pace therefore i think ive learned better without.

As for learning theory

If i started a thread with tips on theory and stuff would it help anyone ? im not spendin pages typin i would merely explain what i know then link to apprioate sites etc


Anyone want me to do it ?
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Get lessons but make sure the teacher is decent and actually knows theory.
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Meh. Theory can be learnt for free, by reading material on the internet. Teachers are good for technique, but I learnt most of my theory online.
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no, not really


Well yes, after you learn the pentatonics, you can add notes to a familar pentatonic shape to get the sound you're looking for. Modes, atleast how I view them, are pentatonic shapes with added notes. Instead of learning the modes, I'll just add the notes that give me the sound I'm after if I can't get it with the 'set notes in the shape.'
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#31
my friend started playing guitar the same time as me. he took lessons for months, i didnt. he's is as good now as me when i was playing for a year. lessons alone WONT make you better, you have to have the good study and playing habits at home or lessons won't do ****. i'm on a budget for time and money, so learning online works for me. at 50 bucks a week (one day a week), lessons get expensive.

if you're playing rock music, first thing you should ever do is learn the minor pentatonic's first position. learn how to transpose that scale into another key (just moving up and down the neck), and use that scale to get your fingers moving quicker.

trust me, you don't need lessons. with a little help from the guys here, the lesson section on this site, http://www.cyberfret.com/ , google, and $200 more in your pocket a month, you will be a fine player in no time.

there's a very good chance you don't need or won't like lessons. just try learning the minor pentatonic and get those fingers moving. you don't need a teacher for that.
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Well yes, after you learn the pentatonics, you can add notes to a familar pentatonic shape to get the sound you're looking for. Modes, atleast how I view them, are pentatonic shapes with added notes. Instead of learning the modes, I'll just add the notes that give me the sound I'm after if I can't get it with the 'set notes in the shape.'


i believe you should see pentatonic scales as simply a major or minor scale with removed scale degrees...for example, a major pentatonic scale would just be a major scale with the fourth and seventh degrees removed, so i find it more beneficial to work from the major scale down...but yes, i do agree that any beginning player should learn pentatonics as starting points to fingering positions and as an overall introduction to the major or minor scale, but not exclusively...they should be expanded on as well

and OldRocker, the last time i checked the CAGED system yields exactly 5 patterns based on the chord shapes C, A, G, E, D, hence the term caged...they do NOT have any correlation with the modes and therefore aren't as productive in learning the unique sounds of the modes...based on your logic, you should just learn and memorize the shapes of the major scale, but it is very ineffective in the sense that if a person wishes to study deeper into theory, they will come to a brick wall when trying to apply Pitch Axis Theory to their playing using these shapes...shows how much you know
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and OldRocker, the last time i checked the CAGED system yields exactly 5 patterns based on the chord shapes C, A, G, E, D, hence the term caged...they do NOT have any correlation with the modes and therefore aren't as productive in learning the unique sounds of the modes...based on your logic, you should just learn and memorize the shapes of the major scale, but it is very ineffective in the sense that if a person wishes to study deeper into theory, they will come to a brick wall when trying to apply Pitch Axis Theory to their playing using these shapes...shows how much you know


But you don't stop there. True they show 5 chord shapes and how they are linked together but I found triads, inversions, intervals, as well as pents, scales, and modes in there. It's not supposed to be the only thing to look at but as a part of learning guitar. I had a lot more understanding of music from looking at the caged system itself and I explored it and expanded on it. Each of the chord shapes has a role of their own in music.

I don't know if that makes sense but I don't care. You can take it or leave it.

I don't play like the others. The artists have their own way of playing and I have mine.
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well, to each is own, it greatly depends on your style of music...i just find the 3nps shapes very effective in that you learn the major scale and all of its modes without hassle

if it works, it doesn't matter how it was learned
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I learned the 3nps too.

And the anoos system.


i can't say i'm familiar with the anoos system, how does that work? do you have any links or maybe a quick explanation?
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i can't say i'm familiar with the anoos system, how does that work? do you have any links or maybe a quick explanation?


LOL!

I knew you'd fall for it. It's "all notes on one string" system.
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*pumps fist in air* damn you!

i personally will play three notes on the 6th string, 3 notes on the 5th, then go back up to the 6th and play the next 3 notes...so you can say i use the anots system
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*pumps fist in air* damn you!

i personally will play three notes on the 6th string, 3 notes on the 5th, then go back up to the 6th and play the next 3 notes...so you can say i use the anots system


LOL!

You get the idea though. You learn on one string, then break 'em up to two strings, then three, then four, etc. You'd get the layout of your fretboard.

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I believe let the man choose.

Ive learned it all by myself at my own pace therefore i think ive learned better without.

As for learning theory

If i started a thread with tips on theory and stuff would it help anyone ? im not spendin pages typin i would merely explain what i know then link to apprioate sites etc


Anyone want me to do it ?

Lessons are not the ONLY way. You CAN learn by yourself BUT it will be MUCH slower to teach yourself.


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Meh. Theory can be learnt for free, by reading material on the internet. Teachers are good for technique, but I learnt most of my theory online.


You are right they are good for technique if they know what they doing.

Anybody can learn the scales and chords parrot fashion but do you know how they work and why they are made.

For example an easy question. What is a CHORD?

Answer that for me. If you get it right good but that is only BASICS.
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