#1
I am sure this has been done but I used the search bar and didn't find anything that helped me.

I have been playing bass for three years. I was never interested in learning theory. I looked up tabs and learned songs that way. I would like to learn as much theory as I possibly could. I want to be a real musician, and not just some guy who can play songs on a bass.

Can anyone give a good place to start, where to find the information, and what exactly to do with it once I have learned it.

Thanks
#2
theory on bass is really the same as theory on any other instrument. theory is theory, no matter what. this lesson always seems to get recomendations and good responses. i would say start there then ask questions here on what you dont understand.
#3
Here it is... Bass theory = guitar thoery = piano theory = any music theory.

Music is universal my good friend, therefore all you have to do is learn the basic theory and apply it to the fretboard - where do I start you say??? - simple - UG has very adequete lessons/colums that explain theory in depth soo just go to the lessons section of the website and start from there... just remember one thing with bass: it is a guitar soo the guitar theory that you come across: go ahead and use it.

If anything, applying theory to bass will be alot more simple than applying it to the guitar because you don't have to deal with 2 extra strings (assuming you have a 4-string bass guitar) So just start with these lessons on UG and work your way through it.. and believe me - you will eventually be like "OMMGG I GET IT!!! IT ALL CONNECTS!!!"
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If anything, applying theory to bass will be alot more simple than applying it to the guitar because you don't have to deal with 2 extra strings (assuming you have a 4-string bass guitar) So just start with these lessons on UG and work your way through it.. and believe me - you will eventually be like "OMMGG I GET IT!!! IT ALL CONNECTS!!!"



you're an idiot. I just had to throw that in there. I'm sorry, I'm clearly a bassist and just taking my stand, but you're basically being very kind and helping and saying "all theory will help you, start where you feel like it, good luck"


and then you go into this "Bass has less strings, bass is easy!" which is just retarded. And I had to say it because I was dearly offended.
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^ I stand by my word buddy... like it or not - bass is just as simple if not more simple, theory wise, as guitar and i'm sorry that you can't handle that =*(.

The fact is, on bass you don't worry about numerous scale octaves, nor chords like a guitarist has to - you do have to worry about complimenting the melody and providing that musical foundation (which is important, but can be hard for bass beginners or bass players that have had little performance experience.)

Now, technique differences, on the other hand, are equally difficult or easy for both instruments, making that category undebatable. I would never dream of being able to slap, unlike maybe you.. I can play bass but not like Victor Wooten or Les Claypool.. and you might never dream about being able to sweep pick, unlike me.

As you can see, technique and theory are two completely different matters and I think you may be defending technique, because I know for damn sure that bass is not a hard instrument to learn theory on at all if your a beginner.

O and for your poor ass stand on the "where to start" section of my post - let me just clarify for the threadstarter: IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAID.. I MEANT THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY START WITH THE BASICS OF MUSIC THEORY AND NOT WITH ADVANCED STUFF.. HOPE I DIDN'T CONFUSE YOU, BEST OF LUCK!!

- I think he can figure out what I said on his own now, but thanks for the concern.
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^ I stand by my word buddy... like it or not - bass is just as simple if not more simple, theory wise, as guitar and i'm sorry that you can't handle that =*(.

The fact is, on bass you don't worry about numerous scale octaves, nor chords like a guitarist has to - you do have to worry about complimenting the melody and providing that musical foundation (now this can be hard for bass beginners or bass players that have had little performance experience.)


What has how many strings the instrument have got to do with the application of theory? Once you understand how to construct a scale in one octave, what changes because of the second octave? Nothing. The same theory rule applies.

You're getting confused with application and understanding. Once you understand something in theory, whatever fuckin' instrument you're going to apply it to has absolutely nothing to do with understanding the theory.

Jeez... ! Get over yourself, dude.
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Once you understand something in theory, whatever fuckin' instrument you're going to apply it to has absolutely nothing to do with understanding the theory.


you make little to zero sense.

but thanks for throwing your two cents in and basically saying the same thing as the damn mod did as far as how many strings on a bass goes..

Shall I again clarify?? - here it is - the way theory is applied to the bass is simpler than that of a guitar. Everyone should know that ... and I (AGAIN) am not saying bass is an easier instrument to take on - just that the theoretical aspect of it is more simple due to the fact that most bass players don't need to know how to play an Eb7.. they have the guitar for that part.

And I would really like to stop arguing in this thread.. the purpose of it has already been met and we just look like idiots now.
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#9
even though ur not playing harmonic chords (ie not arpeggiated) on bass, u still need to understand chords, because other musicians will probably be playing them, and the notes u play on ur bass will add to those chords, in different ways, depending on which note u play. u should still try to grasp an understanding of chords for bass, because no doubt you will use ur chord knowledge in some way when playing the notes in those chords.
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you make little to zero sense.

but thanks for throwing your two cents in and basically saying the same thing as the damn mod did as far as how many strings on a bass goes..

Shall I again clarify?? - here it is - the way theory is applied to the bass is simpler than that of a guitar. Everyone should know that ... and I (AGAIN) am not saying bass is an easier instrument to take on - just that the theoretical aspect of it is more simple due to the fact that most bass players don't need to know how to play an Eb7.. they have the guitar for that part.

And I would really like to stop arguing in this thread.. the purpose of it has already been met and we just look like idiots now.


You've just confirmed what I said...

What has being able to play an Eb7 got to do with it? If you understand HOW to construct an Eb7, that's theory. Playing an Eb7 is the technical aspect you were referring to earlier.

Different aspects of theory are going to attract different instruments; true - but you're making it sound like the bass is inferior in theoretical aspects compared to a guitar, which is bullshit.

If it wasn't for your conceited attitude, I'd be happy to discuss our differences in an intelligent manner - but forget it.

#11
^ he doesnt sound like he can discuss anything in an intelligent manner.

threadstarter, all theory is the same. once you understand it, its the same on all instruments. you dont learn less because you play one instrument than another, you just apply it differently.
#12
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You've just confirmed what I said...

What has being able to play an Eb7 got to do with it? If you understand HOW to construct an Eb7, that's theory. Playing an Eb7 is the technical aspect you were referring to earlier.

Different aspects of theory are going to attract different instruments; true - but you're making it sound like the bass is inferior in theoretical aspects compared to a guitar, which is bullshit.

If it wasn't for your conceited attitude, I'd be happy to discuss our differences in an intelligent manner - but forget it.




exactly.
if ur playing with other musicians, true, everyone has their own role, but as a collective sound, u need to be aware of wot the other musicians are doing, why, and how they are doing it, so that you can effectively make some great sounding stuff on your bass to go with it.
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#13
I read through the posts and I haven't seen this mentioned, but just keep in mind that if you are reading standard notation music for bass, it will almost definitely be written in the bass clef. However, you should probably learn the notes of both the treble and bass clefs, just in case.

This should be enough for you to learn the bass and treble clefs.

Now, you have to learn where these notes are on your bass. This should help with that.


Beyond that, jof's link should help you get started.
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#14
I like to think of a bass as an orange and a guitar as an apple. They may be completely different fruits, but they still can produce the same thing, juice. That juice is the music and all theory behind it. In no way is the bass easier then a guitar. They are completely different when it comes to how you play them. The theory is still always the same. That's my 2 cents of course.
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#15
Ok, thanks you guys. I knew that the theory was the same. I meant more the application of it to bass, but all of your links have helped a lot. I should have mentioned that I used to play saxophone and already knew the a little bit. But again, all of your stuff really helped and thank you for your time.
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you're an idiot. I just had to throw that in there. I'm sorry, I'm clearly a bassist and just taking my stand, but you're basically being very kind and helping and saying "all theory will help you, start where you feel like it, good luck"


and then you go into this "Bass has less strings, bass is easy!" which is just retarded. And I had to say it because I was dearly offended.



haha call me not intelligent... please. Read the first welcoming phrase.. and from a moderater. Wutta you think set me off?? Don't start off your opinion/arguement with "Your an idiot" .. your probably not gonna get a positive reply.
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#17
^ but... but... but... you do come of as a bit of an idiot for the statement:
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applying theory to bass will be alot more simple than applying it to the guitar because you don't have to deal with 2 extra strings

to use a quote from one of my favorite tv shows, 'thas just ignant dog.' sure a bass player may not need to finger an Eb7, but he still needs to know which notes form it and where to find them in close proximity to one another on the neck. not having those two high strings means nothing what so ever in this process, because the bassist still needs to know the same thing as the guitarist. and anything more complex isnt going to matter what instrument you are applying it to, as you are going to be thinking in terms of multiple instruments anyway. like you are thinking how the notes on the bass are relating to the notes played by the guitar and how both of those are relating to the notes sung by the singer. everyone there is using the same theoretical knowledge of harmony and other theory, but just performing different parts of it. theory is the same no matter what, and you seemed to abandon that debate anyway to point out character flaws instead. thats a sign of a great debater
#18
If you look at the first thing i said in that post - I mentioned Bass Theory = Guitar Theory ...
Well no ****.. they're both guitars!! My stand is simply that the way a bassist uses that information is definetly different than that of a guitarist, and in my opinion its less complicated.

If you listen to all of our modern music now (fall out boy, hawthorne heights, green day, tool, w/e it may be) you'll find that these bass players don't have the same roll at all of a guitarist when putting a song together - in many cases the bass player only plays the root notes of the proggression.

And I take it your being sarcastic on your last sentence there.
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#19
no, bass theory = guitar theory because both produce music. Music theory is universal on all instruments - drums may focus on rhythm, guitars may focus on chords, but theory is 100% the same universally and to deny that or support it because "no **** sherlock, theyre guitarz!!!!1111" is illogical and dumb.


I didn't start an argument - you did. I made a statement.


You said "pplying theory to bass will be alot more simple than applying it to the guitar because you don't have to deal with 2 extra strings (assuming you have a 4-string bass guitar)"?.

if anything, applying it is harder because you have less room to work with based on your logic. If you want to get out of what you said and into what you meant, you're still being hypocritical, because as pointed out, you were saying techniques versus application of theory and you switched the two mid phrasing so you could crap on the bass guitar. And overall I simply cannot respect you, because rather than actually discuss it, you much rather cover up your first idiotic statement with more idiotic statements, and rather than just say you were wrong you rather just keep telling yourself you were right. Maybe you were right, sure; but you're sure not convincing anyone with

"haha you called me an idiot and your a mod wakka wakka".


I never meant to be offensive. I only meant to show that I was offended by your completely arrogant statement.
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#20
^ Actually a bassist probably has it harder; at least a good one. They've got to deal with top-line counterpoint and harmony at the same time, possibly triple counterpoint. Most guitarists don't.

That said... what's the best thing to play on a bass? Solitare.
Why did the bass player get mad at the drummer? He turned a peg and wouldn't tell him which one.

How many bass players does it take to change a lightbulb? Don't bother, leave it out, nobody will notice.
or
One... three... one... three...
or
One, but the guitarist has to show him first.

Why are guitar jokes so short? So bassists can understand them.
How do you make a bass play in tune? Chop it up and turn it into a xylophone.
Bass players spend half their time tuning their instrument, and the other half playing out of tune.
Why do bassists have amps? So the rest of the band has somewhere to set their beer.
How do you make a bassist play softer? Put a chart in front of him.
How do you make him stop? Put notes on it.

A boy walks up to his mother and says "Mom, when I grow up I want to be a bass player." His mom responds, "Now son, you can't do both."

How do you get 100 bassists in a phone booth? Throw in a food stamp.
Why don't bass players play hide & seek? Because no one will look for them.
What are the three most difficult years in a bassists life? Second grade.
What's black and brown and looks good on a bass player? A doberman.
What happens when a bassist takes viagra? He gets taller.
How do bass players excersize on the beach? The suck in their stomach every time they see a bikini.
How do you make a bassist stop biting his nails? Tell him to wear shoes.
How do you know when a bass player's at the door? You don't, they can't find the right key and they don't know how to make an entrance.

What's the difference between a bassist and an uzi? The uzi stops after 20 rounds.
Why don't bassists ever catch a cold? Even viruses have some pride.

On a flight recently a friend of mine sat down next to someone and said "Hey, I've got a great bass joke, you want to hear it?" The man said "Sure, but I have to warn you, I'm a bassist."
"That's ok, I'll be sure to tell it reaallllll slow."

How do you raise the town IQ? Shoot a bass player.
What's the difference between a bassist and a mutual fund? One matures.
What do you call a bassist without a girlfriend? Homeless.
How does a bassist show up for practice? Drunk and late, as usual...

A guitar player comes to the doctor and complains about a serious deterioriation of his memory. He especially has a hard time remembering correct changes and is afraid to lose all his gigs. Since the doctor can't find the cause, he asks the guitarist to leave behind his brain for a week in his lab for more detailed examinations.

After seven days the guitar player fails to show up, and even after 2 more weeks there's no sign of him. Finally the doctor runs into him on the street, grabs him and asks: "Excuse me, but your brain is still waiting for you to stop by and pick it up, so why don't you show up?"

The guitarist says, "Well, I think you can keep it; I finally switched to bass..."
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A man gives his son an electric bass for his 15th birthday, along with a coupon for four bass lessons. When the son returns from his first lesson, the father asks, "So, what did you learn?"

"Well, I learned the first five notes on the E string." Next week, after the second lesson, the father again asks about the progress, and the son replies, "This time I learned the first five notes on the A string."

One week later, the son comes home far later than expected, smelling of cigarettes and beer. So the father asks: "Hey, what happened in today's lesson?"

"Dad, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to my lesson; I had a gig!"
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What's black and blue in a ditch on the side of the road? A guitarist who's told too many bass jokes.
What's worse than telling bass jokes? Laughing at them...

(by far the most important thing I learned in college is how to tell jokes about every other musician I'll ever work with)
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#21
A boy walks up to his mother and says "Mom, when I grow up I want to be a bass player." His mom responds, "Now son, you can't do both."

Hah, this made me laugh the hardest. I love Bass players though
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#22
All of those jokes are interchangable. I heard the drunken and late as lead singer. Can't do both as a drummer.

but my favorite is this one


What does the dirty skanky ***** do with her boyfriend before she goes to work at the strip club.

She drops him and his drum kit at band practice.
#23
^ Nah, the out of tunes ones especially apply to bassists. And oboists. As for the how can you tell if X is at your door, that's unique for each instrument.

Musician and lightbulb jokes are by far the best, imo. Especially around singers.
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#24
Ugh I've tried posting like 4 times and each time my computer freezes.. this is the first it hasn't.
To the mod (my comp freezes when I insert quotes) - I understand that music theory is universal.. which I have already stated but my stand on bass sticks.. sorry . But I don't, what so ever, think bass is unimportant, just a bit more simple to learn than other instruments.. which is perfectly reasonable.

Also, I don't know how I came off as arrogant but I'm sorry if it felt like I did. Plus, just to let you know, I do have respect towards you .. otherwise I wouldn't reply to what you said or think about what you said.

Note : Wakka Wakka = Blah Blah ???
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#25
wakka wakka is actually a catchphrase, originally coined by the late great Fozzius Bear (c 1958).


"I stand by my word buddy... like it or not - bass is just as simple if not more simple, theory wise, as guitar and i'm sorry that you can't handle that =*(."
you still don't see where your arrogant?
I'm sorry that you can't handle that? lol. Seriously lol with me.


Its very simple to learn how to be a ****ty bassist, just as it is very easy to learn to be a ****ty guitarist, trumpeter, pianist, etc.
It just happens that most bassists are ****ty.
I don't think that makes the learning of the instrument easier.


I do love musician jokes. I thought Corwinoid's response that changed the mood of the thread was probably the best reply here. The "bass actually has it hardest... but still (80 bass jokes go here)"
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I do love musician jokes. I thought Corwinoid's response that changed the mood of the thread was probably the best reply here. The "bass actually has it hardest... but still (80 bass jokes go here)"





-_- >_< lol, I didn't even pay attention to that.. it was soo off topic
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