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Ok, I was listening to The Allman Brothers Band song, "Mountain Jam" tonight, and I was listening to the guitar lines, and strangely, it sounds exactly like the vocal line in Donovan's song, "There Is A Mountain", so I was just wondering, did the ABB purposely try to structure the riff off of his song, because I would guess yes, because it is called "Mountain Jam" so it seems as if there is some connection.. but if anyone could clarify this for me, that would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Edit: The line is about :35-:48 seconds into the song, atleast on the Live in San Fransisco version, that's the version that I heard it most distinctively, and from the Eat A Peach album, the line can be most distinctively heard at about 1:26 up until somewhere in the 1:40's

Edit 2: Actually I searched google, and Wikipedia had an article about it, and it actually is based off of Donovan's song, so I guess I answered my own question there.. But instead of wasting this thread, how about posting songs that you know of which the riff, or main line are based off of the lyrics from a different song.

Another example that I know of is Cream's "Sunshine of your Love" riff was based off of another song.. I haven't heard it but I believe it is called blue moon or something like that, anyone care to clarify?
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Maet
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#2
Harmonizing guitar tracks with vocal melodies from different songs is just a more creative way of musical thievery. It's nothing new.
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Quote by Maet
Harmonizing guitar tracks with vocal melodies from different songs is just a more creative way of musical thievery. It's nothing new.


It's like how Eric Clapton based the Sunshine of Your Love solo off of... the Blue Moon song, or whatever it was...

****, I forget what it's called.
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It's like what Stravinsky said.

Good composers borrow, Great composers steal
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Gustav Holst used Greensleeves in Fantasia on the Dargason... but I think he changed the time signature, and layered another melody over it. Actually, a lot of the 2nd Suite in F contains folk melodies.

(Why can't I think of any rock examples? Meh, must be a slow day).
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For one, Holst sped it up and used 6/8. Holst's influences were heavy on the English Folk Music side which is evident with Fantasia on the Dargasoon.

I still think 'Song Without Words, "I'll Love my Love"' is the best part of his Suite in F.
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Probably, although Song of the Blacksmith is pretty fun.
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Well, i wasnt saying anything like they stole it or anything, I just heard the similarity, and thought it was cool..
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I really love when bands can do that.

Lead guitarists who are able to make their guitars "sing" like that are awesome - you know, lyrical guitarists such as Roy Buchanan.
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Ya i noticed Third stone from the sun song is stolen alot
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i love Mountain Jam
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^ Hahahahaha, I was trying to figure out what you meant for like 2 minutes, then I looked at his name, lol, but yeah Mountain Jam is incredible.
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I love Mountain Jam, too, and I'm not talking about the song.

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I think Betts could make his guitar sing like a lyricist. I always loved the sweetness in his guitar playing.
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i saw the allman brothers when they came to cleveland in june and they played mountain jam, so now i can die happy. even though it wasnt with duane, dicky, or berry. still the best 30+ minutes of my life.
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^^They didn't do Mountain Jam when I saw them last, but they're likely to tour until they die (and replace the dead guys and still tour), so eventually I'll get to hear Mountain Jam for myself.

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I think Betts could make his guitar sing like a lyricist. I always loved the sweetness in his guitar playing.


I love his use of volume swells in In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.

I'm going to learn to do them because they are really awesome.