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#1
I've been wondering this for a long time, and the question is why do the Slavic countries have so many NSBM bands? I mean Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Thor's Hammer, Hate Forest, Infernum and the list goes on. Hitler didn't even like slavic people that much. But seriously, why? It doesn't make sense.
#2
and NSBM means?
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#3
National Socialist Black Metal, am I right????

I can't tell you why, even though I'm Slavic myself... Maybe they don't like themselves?
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#4
^^National Socialist Black Metal or in other words Nazi black metal.
#5
o ok ta
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HAHA U IS TEH EMOZORZ

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#6
Influenced by the political reign in that area? I really have no idea wha kind of government they have set up, or if that has anything to do with it at all.
#8
Psssh...I know their not Slavic, but Absurd & I Shalt Become own...
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#9
NSBM sucks. Their ideology sucks... and even though it has nothing to do with the musical quality, Im not going to support bands that would proabblly hate me.
#10
In my opinion NSBM is stupid because not only are most bands (probably all) not even made up of aryans, but the music they play would certainly not be approved of by the fuehrer. The only way I could see it making sense is if it was pagan in nature. I haven't heard much so I don 't know how much it is, but National Socialist occultism is the only thing I could see connecting to black metal.
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#11
NSBM ****in rocks. my dad is jewish and i still like it.........why should i care about another person's view if they make good music. the irony is that they are being supported by a quasi-jew, such as myself.
#13
Who cares about lyrics?
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#14
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Who cares about lyrics?


I do. Doesnt mean I dont like NSBM.
#15
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I do. Doesnt mean I dont like NSBM.



really? you listen to brutal death for the lyrics??


what they say should not be a determining factor in the quality of metal. that is why i like metal, i get to laugh at pedophilia and beastiality.
#16
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really? you listen to brutal death for the lyrics??


what they say should not be a determining factor in the quality of metal. that is why i like metal, i get to laugh at pedophilia and beastiality.



I listen to some metal for the lyrics more than I do for other types.
#19
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I've been wondering this for a long time, and the question is why do the Slavic countries have so many NSBM bands? I mean Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Thor's Hammer, Hate Forest, Infernum and the list goes on. Hitler didn't even like slavic people that much. But seriously, why? It doesn't make sense.

dont ask us, ask morbid
#20
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Most NSBM bandmembers are just ego maniac posers anyway(at least the ones around here.

You dont turn nazi for no apperent reason lol.


There is no apparent reason
#21
Sunwheel pwnz.
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#22
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In my opinion NSBM is stupid because not only are most bands (probably all) not even made up of aryans, but the music they play would certainly not be approved of by the fuehrer.


You really do not know anything about NS-ideology, do you?
National Socialism is about preserving one's own cultur and heritage, most oftenly by denying other cultures to influence and keeping people of other races out of your bloodline. It has nothing to do with aryanism, nothing to do with getting approved by the fucking führer. NS is a political ideology, not a cult based around aryans and Adolf Hitler. For someone sporting a Schutztaffel-avatar, you sure display complete fucking ignorance about national socialism. Idiot.

My guess as to why many bands from these regions are leaning towards NS is because it's what's the farthest away from the rule and ideology that messed things up for them up until 15 years or so ago. Guess it can be seen as sort of a retroactive rebellion.
#23
You really do not know anything about NS-ideology, do you?
National Socialism is about preserving one's own cultur and heritage, most oftenly by denying other cultures to influence and keeping people of other races out of your bloodline. It has nothing to do with aryanism, nothing to do with getting approved by the fucking führer. NS is a political ideology, not a cult based around aryans and Adolf Hitler. For someone sporting a Schutztaffel-avatar, you sure display complete fucking ignorance about national socialism. Idiot.

My guess as to why many bands from these regions are leaning towards NS is because it's what's the farthest away from the rule and ideology that messed things up for them up until 15 years or so ago. Guess it can be seen as sort of a retroactive rebellion.

No **** those are aspects of National Socialism. I didn't say anything about that. However I was thinking of the qualities of the NSDAP, not National Socialism in general, so I guess that's my bad. You don't have to go off a ****ing wall about how I don't know what I'm talking about.
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#24
Lol Aryans? The bands don't have identify with Hitler's beliefs - those aren't the only NS beliefs in the world. They can adopt the NS outlook because of their opposition to Jews and such which they may believe to be a problem in their country.

Regardless of whether you agree with the lyrics or not, if you are into black metal, you'd recognize how good some of these bands are. Kataxu, Graveland, Nokturnal Mortum, Hate Forest, Thor's Hammer, Sunwheel, as well as the non-NS Slavic bands such as Drudkh, Astrofaes, Capricornus, etc. The list is endless as to how many good bands come from there.

^^ Exactly what I wanted to say, Bilzzard_of_Ozz.
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#25
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No **** those are aspects of National Socialism. I didn't say anything about that. However I was thinking of the qualities of the NSDAP, not National Socialism in general, so I guess that's my bad. You don't have to go off a ****ing wall about how I don't know what I'm talking about.



It's not NSDAPBM... So why would you make the comment in the first place?
#27
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Lol Aryans? The bands don't have identify with Hitler's beliefs - those aren't the only NS beliefs in the world. They can adopt the NS outlook because of their opposition to Jews and such which they may believe to be a problem in their country.

Regardless of whether you agree with the lyrics or not, if you are into black metal, you'd recognize how good some of these bands are. Kataxu, Graveland, Nokturnal Mortum, Hate Forest, Thor's Hammer, Sunwheel, as well as the non-NS Slavic bands such as Drudkh, Astrofaes, Capricornus, etc. The list is endless as to how many good bands come from there.

^^ Exactly what I wanted to say, Bilzzard_of_Ozz.


Yeah I do really like Nokturnal Mortum and Burzum.
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haha

As for NSBM, I don't like the ideology they promote; I think it's stupid.
But if the music's good, I'll listen to it. I've heard some Nokturnal Mortum and it's not bad. I'm just not going to support the band or anything...
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#30
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No **** those are aspects of National Socialism. I didn't say anything about that. However I was thinking of the qualities of the NSDAP, not National Socialism in general, so I guess that's my bad. You don't have to go off a ****ing wall about how I don't know what I'm talking about.


Then why the bloody hell would you go talking about it in the first place? Like Mason said, it's not NSDAPBM, it's NSBM. No more, no less.
#31
If more metal bands had lyrics I liked, I would love metal so much more.

(I decided not to say "great lyrics" because we can all have opinions on what's great)
#32
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Then why the bloody hell would you go talking about it in the first place? Like Mason said, it's not NSDAPBM, it's NSBM. No more, no less.


Reading through the first part of the thread, it seemed a couple other people were thinking the same way. I posted after reading their posts so I guess I was just in that frame of mind. MDIJ and some other dude were both referring to Hitler's NS regime so hey :/
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#33
If NSBM is being supportive to the believes that were represented by the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s and 40s or not, it's still not something that should be supported in any way at all. Most forms of national socialism are based on the lack of certain freedoms that allow us to enjoy our lives the way we want to. There's no sense in denying the unavoidable connection between totalitarism / dictatorship and NS ideologies. Again, I must emphasize that only a democratic country offers the chance live the live that we all do or will in the future.
Come to think of it: I wouldn't be so surprised if metal would be prohibited in a (fictionary) NS - ruled country, since it could be considered impure for having its roots in a "degenerated" culture...
Die Sonne graut dem Morgen
Morsch sind Baum und Pfad
Die Sonne graut dem Morgen
mir ist kalt...
#34
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If NSBM is being supportive to the believes that were represented by the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s and 40s or not, it's still not something that should be supported in any way at all. Most forms of national socialism are based on the lack of certain freedoms that allow us to enjoy our lives the way we want to. There's no sense in denying the unavoidable connection between totalitarism / dictatorship and NS ideologies. Again, I must emphasize that only a democratic country offers the chance live the live that we all do or will in the future.
Come to think of it: I wouldn't be so surprised if metal would be prohibited in a (fictionary) NS - ruled country, since it could be considered impure for having its roots in a "degenerated" culture...


Trust me, no NSBM band is going to be taking over the world anytime soon.
#35
^lol. Well other than my opinion on NS ideologies in general, I usually couldn't care less what message a band is trying to spread as long as it is good music. I'm just guessing some of the NSBM bands might take their image a bit too seriously.
Die Sonne graut dem Morgen
Morsch sind Baum und Pfad
Die Sonne graut dem Morgen
mir ist kalt...
#36
Because when Rock and Roll peaked, they we're locked behind an Iron Curtain. I went overseas back in the seventies and my cousin had a guitar (he'd stole it from the only other guy in the village with a guitar...it was phuckin' unplayable) and when I'd point out the album cover of Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy in some magazine he'd reply "I never saw that record before" but he'd sit me down and play "The Knife" by Genesis (on that live album where's the singers wearing this weird purple glowing thing on his head) over and over explainig that I really had to listen to it and get it . When I'd get back home I'd mail him my WNEW rocks T-shirt with this cool rock calendar, he never got it, bet the mailman did. And this slav wasn't living in the soviet bloc so you can just imagine what they rocked out to (Back in the USSR by the Beatles no doubt) in the middle of their forests. When the wall came tumbling down Rock was on TV and not in the the stereo system of your 67 Mustang like it was supposed to be and they just missed it, like a pitcher batting against Pedro Martinez and flailing weakly at a ball way out of the strike zone, they missed it. I guess then they got some playable gear as metal crept in and it was black, like the black forest that those nemzi live in which they are so interwined along with... I guess ?Cuz they're parents crapped worms and insects out of their ass during WWII

Starsky's right......but I don't know 'bout Hutch, know what I mean?
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#37
lol I'll have to download some of this becuase it seems the **** has hit the fan here
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#38
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Because when Rock and Roll peaked, they we're locked behind an Iron Curtain. I went overseas back in the seventies and my cousin had a guitar (he'd stole it from the only other guy in the village with a guitar...it was phuckin' unplayable) and when I'd point out the album cover of Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy in some magazine he'd reply "I never saw that record before" but he'd sit me down and play "The Knife" by Genesis (on that live album where's the singers wearing this weird purple glowing thing on his head) over and over explainig that I really had to listen to it and get it . When I'd get back home I'd mail him my WNEW rocks T-shirt with this cool rock calendar, he never got it, bet the mailman did. And this slav wasn't living in the soviet bloc so you can just imagine what they rocked out to (Back in the USSR by the Beatles no doubt) in the middle of their forests. When the wall came tumbling down Rock was on TV and not in the the stereo system of your 67 Mustang like it was supposed to be and they just missed it, like a pitcher batting against Pedro Martinez and flailing weakly at a ball way out of the strike zone, they missed it. I guess then they got some playable gear as metal crept in and it was black, like the black forest that those nemzi live in which they are so interwined along with... I guess ?Cuz they're parents crapped worms and insects out of their ass during WWII
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And that had what to do with anything?
#40
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Because when Rock and Roll peaked, they we're locked behind an Iron Curtain. I went overseas back in the seventies and my cousin had a guitar (he'd stole it from the only other guy in the village with a guitar...it was phuckin' unplayable) and when I'd point out the album cover of Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy in some magazine he'd reply "I never saw that record before" but he'd sit me down and play "The Knife" by Genesis (on that live album where's the singers wearing this weird purple glowing thing on his head) over and over explainig that I really had to listen to it and get it . When I'd get back home I'd mail him my WNEW rocks T-shirt with this cool rock calendar, he never got it, bet the mailman did. And this slav wasn't living in the soviet bloc so you can just imagine what they rocked out to (Back in the USSR by the Beatles no doubt) in the middle of their forests. When the wall came tumbling down Rock was on TV and not in the the stereo system of your 67 Mustang like it was supposed to be and they just missed it, like a pitcher batting against Pedro Martinez and flailing weakly at a ball way out of the strike zone, they missed it. I guess then they got some playable gear as metal crept in and it was black, like the black forest that those nemzi live in which they are so interwined along with... I guess ?Cuz they're parents crapped worms and insects out of their ass during WWII

Starsky's right......but I don't know 'bout Hutch, know what I mean?
Axe Miester!



I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but "The Knife" is a great song.
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