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All political arguements, statements or banters in this thread. No Exceptions!

No senseless arguing, and try to keep it friendly. I will give out warnings for calling someone a "dumb twat" because he/she actually likes George "dubya" Bush or because he/she thinks that socialism is the best or only way to live!

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#2
Somehow, I find it funny that you closed the Communism thread after 33 pages of posts... only then saying that it belonged in the political thread

Don't ban me...

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#3
I never really noticed that thread, and I guess the other mods didnt either. Oh well, that conversation now belongs in here like it is supposed to.



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Castro cedes power (temporarily)

From the BBC websiteL

Text: Castro cedes powers

Cuban TV broadcast Castro's statement
Cuban leader Fidel Castro has temporarily delegated power to his brother Raul after suffering intestinal bleeding which required surgery.
The proclamation on the handover - the text of which follows - was read out on Cuban TV by Castro's personal assistant Carlos Manuel Valenciaga on 1 August.

Proclamation by the commander in chief to the people of Cuba:

As result of the great effort exerted to visit the Argentine city of Cordoba, to participate in the Mercosur meeting, the closing of the People's Summit in the historic University of Cordoba, and to visit Alta Gracia, the city where Che [Guevara] grew up, together with my participation in the commemoration in Granma and Holguin Provinces of the 53rd anniversary of the assaults on the Moncada and Carlos Manuel de Cespedes Garrisons on 26 July 1953, days and nights of nonstop work with hardly any sleep lead my health, which has withstood every test, to undergo extreme stress and a breakdown.

This resulted in an acute intestinal crisis with persistent bleeding which forced me to undergo a complicated surgical procedure. All the details of this health incident are evidenced in the x-rays, endoscopies, and video record.

The surgery makes it necessary for me to take several weeks of rest away from my duties and posts.

Since our country is threatened by the US Government under circumstances such as these, I have made the following decisions:

I provisionally delegate my functions as first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba to its second secretary, comrade Raul Castro Ruz.
I provisionally delegate my functions as commander in chief of the heroic Revolutionary Armed Forces to the aforementioned comrade, Army General Raul Castro.
I provisionally delegate my functions as president of the Council of State and Government of the Republic of Cuba to the first vice president, comrade Raul Castro Ruz.
I provisionally delegate my responsibilities as head of the national and international public health programme to the Politburo member and public health minister, comrade Jose Ramon Balaguer Cabrera.
I provisionally delegate my responsibilities as head of the national and international education programme to comrades Jose Ramon Machado Ventura and Esteban Lazo Hernandez, members of the Politburo.
I provisionally delegate my responsibilities as head of Cuba's national Energy Revolution programme and collaboration with other countries in this area to comrade Carlos Lage Davila, member of the Politburo and secretary of the Executive Committee of the Council of Ministers.
The corresponding funds for these three programmes; health, education, and energy, should continue to be managed and administered, as I have personally done, by comrades Carlos Lage Davila, secretary of the Executive Committee of the Council of Ministers, Francisco Soberon Valdes, minister and president of the Central Bank of Cuba, and Felipe Perez Roque, minister of foreign relations, who worked with me in these duties and should form a commission to that end.

Our glorious Communist Party, with the support of the mass organisations and all the people, has the mission of taking on the task given them in this proclamation.

The summit of the Non-Aligned Countries, which will be held from 11-16 September, should receive the greatest attention of the Cuban nation and state and be held with the highest level of excellence on the planned date.

I plead that the thousands of personalities who so generously planned to celebrate my 80th birthday this 13 August postpone the celebration until 2 December of this year, the 50th anniversary of the Granma landing.

It is my request that the party's Central Committee and the National Assembly of the People's Government firmly support this proclamation. I have not the slightest doubt that our people and our Revolution will fight until the last drop of blood to defend these and other ideas and measures that may be necessary to safeguard this historic process.

Imperialism will never be able to crush Cuba. The battle of ideas will continue.

Long live the fatherland.

Long live the Revolution.

Long live socialism.

Onward to victory forever.
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#5
It's strange... I read an article, saying that Raul Castro was much more "vicious" than his brother, and "communist to the core." Slightly contradictory, no?

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#6
What does everyone think about Blair's situation at the moment, most of his party and cabinet are against his inaction over the attacks on Lebanon. His policy is being carried through with Tory votes and he keeps that joke as DPM.
#7
You guys think Cuba will still fall into a dictatorship? I feel they're going to rebel and become a capatilist nation, probably selling beautiful shore land to Americans just cause the government needs the money.
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cuba will end up being is an even bigger drug traffic area due to the lack of government and they are all going to trying running towards the states and florida is going ot have problems with gangs due to imigration and end up being the new california.
#9
What's up with all this senseless Bush-bashing nowadays? A lot of the teenagers at my school seem to like to say stuff like "Bush is an asshole" and whatnot, but when asked, have no legitimate reasons to back up what they're saying.

A lot of them also seem to have a problem with the Iraq war. I ask kids (and by kids I mean teenagers) why the war is wrong and more often than not, I get something stupid to the effect of "It's just a war over oil", which there has absolutely been no evidence of to this day. I don't see why so many kids object to taking out a totalitarian dick who runs a country without regard to the people. I mean, the people of Iraq were living under crappy conditions under this guy, lacking food, water and a lot of the necessities people need to survive. Also, they didn't have elected governments and the freedoms of belief, religion and speech people in North America have. On top of that, this guy kills hundreds of thousands of people on a whim, just because they oppose him.

The way I see it, people in Canada and the US are narrowminded. We've been taught to believe that war is bad because people die and thus, we see the person who instigates war as a bumhole, regardless of the circumstances of this war. Also, living a great society, we take certain things for granted, because the food is always on the table and the water comes out of a tap when we want it to. We live in nice houses with air conditioning and electricity. We can say or think whatever the hell we want to and noone can stop us. But we don't realize how lucky we are to have these things, and we don't realize that there are people who wouldn't dream of having such luxuries. We're spoiled out of our wits and we don't realize it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you can't not like Bush or oppose whatever the heck you want; just have a reason to back up what tou're saying.
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What's up with all this senseless Bush-bashing nowadays? A lot of the teenagers at my school seem to like to say stuff like "Bush is an asshole" and whatnot, but when asked, have no legitimate reasons to back up what they're saying.

People bandwagon. There are a lot of misinformed or ill-informed people who puppet the pro-Bush position as well.
A lot of them also seem to have a problem with the Iraq war. I ask kids (and by kids I mean teenagers) why the war is wrong and more often than not, I get something stupid to the effect of "It's just a war over oil", which there has absolutely been no evidence of to this day.

I disagree. Since the Iraq war began, US gas prices have doubled and oil companies are posting record profits. Perhaps the war was about oil, but perhaps not about making it cheaper. Remember, any time there's any sort of problem in the middle east, oil companies jack gasoline prices just because they can, not really because of lack of supply or anything else.
I don't see why so many kids object to taking out a totalitarian dick who runs a country without regard to the people. I mean, the people of Iraq were living under crappy conditions under this guy, lacking food, water and a lot of the necessities people need to survive. Also, they didn't have elected governments and the freedoms of belief, religion and speech people in North America have. On top of that, this guy kills hundreds of thousands of people on a whim, just because they oppose him.

Actually, quality of life for Iraqis now is much worse than it was under Saddam. The people of Iraq had few political freedoms, but their quality of life otherwise wasn't that bad. Once the US invaded, however, now you're seeing rampant power shortages, food distribution problems, lack of clean water, etc. And hundreds of thousands of people? I'd like to see where that's documented, unless you count the Iran-Iraq War, which doesn't count, especially not in the US case against Saddam, since we supplied him the chemical and biological agents he used in that war. Also, there wasn't civil war erupting in Iraq when Saddam was in power. Sometimes dictators serve a purpose. If you want a lesson on that, read about Yugoslavia, which no longer exists since after Tito died, the place exploded in ethnic war. Hmm...can we draw any parallels to the situation in Iraq? Remember, the Shi'ites that the West loves to hate are the majority of the population in Iraq. Saddam's regime was secular and supported by the Sunni Muslims, whom the Shi'ites despise.
The way I see it, people in Canada and the US are narrowminded. We've been taught to believe that war is bad because people die and thus, we see the person who instigates war as a bumhole, regardless of the circumstances of this war.

Nope. I see someone who's instigating war for political reasons as a "bumhole." The "circumstances" for this war was that the US knew that Iraq was militarily crippled since Desert Storm, so it would make a perfect example for US power projection.
Also, living a great society, we take certain things for granted, because the food is always on the table and the water comes out of a tap when we want it to. We live in nice houses with air conditioning and electricity. We can say or think whatever the hell we want to and noone can stop us. But we don't realize how lucky we are to have these things, and we don't realize that there are people who wouldn't dream of having such luxuries. We're spoiled out of our wits and we don't realize it.

A lot of people live that way. The problem is, the US justification that "Saddam is a bad, bad man" doesn't wash since we helped him be a bad, bad man in the early 80s (when most of the "exterminations" took place), and also by the fact that we're ignoring other parts of the world where dictators are committing genocide just because they're of no economic or political significance to us.
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Quote by justinp93
What's up with all this senseless Bush-bashing nowadays? A lot of the teenagers at my school seem to like to say stuff like "Bush is an asshole" and whatnot, but when asked, have no legitimate reasons to back up what they're saying.

A lot of them also seem to have a problem with the Iraq war. I ask kids (and by kids I mean teenagers) why the war is wrong and more often than not, I get something stupid to the effect of "It's just a war over oil", which there has absolutely been no evidence of to this day.


uhh...just to let you know...all the evidence we presented to the UN of reason to go to war with Iraq, all turned out not to be true. so much for evidence.

I don't see why so many kids object to taking out a totalitarian dick who runs a country without regard to the people. I mean, the people of Iraq were living under crappy conditions under this guy, lacking food, water and a lot of the necessities people need to survive.


sound a bit familiar?

Also, they didn't have elected governments and the freedoms of belief, religion and speech people in North America have. On top of that, this guy kills hundreds of thousands of people on a whim, just because they oppose him.


how is a nation (america) supposed to teach about democracy when we don't even practice clean democracy here. i don't know if you knew this, but many registered democrats who filed for absentee ballots in the '04 election never recieved one in the mail.

The way I see it, people in Canada and the US are narrowminded. We've been taught to believe that war is bad because people die and thus, we see the person who instigates war as a bumhole, regardless of the circumstances of this war.


we view him as a 'bumhole' because of the fact that there was absolutely no reason to invade Iraq. I have no problem with a president or leader of a country sending us to war if there are reasons to do so. i mean, people protested the vietnam war. because people were dying? of course. but also because they were being drafted to a war they didn't want to fight. and what was the cause of the Iraq war? we may not see it now, but we'll certainly now the effect soon enough.


Also, living a great society, we take certain things for granted, because the food is always on the table and the water comes out of a tap when we want it to. We live in nice houses with air conditioning and electricity. We can say or think whatever the hell we want to and noone can stop us. But we don't realize how lucky we are to have these things, and we don't realize that there are people who wouldn't dream of having such luxuries. We're spoiled out of our wits and we don't realize it.


how is it a 'great society' when idiocy overruns democracy and individuality at everyturn?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you can't not like Bush or oppose whatever the heck you want; just have a reason to back up what tou're saying.


well i stated my reasons.


what does everyone think about the vetoing of the stem cell bill? there were so many other bills bush could veto, but instead he decides to choose one that could save so many lives in the future.

thoughts?
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It's funny how we both pwn3d him giving almost completely different answers.

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It's funny how we both pwn3d him giving almost completely different answers.

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except for like the bumhole one...lol


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I dislike the Iraq war but purely on the grounds that i believe other nations should not carry out pre-emptive attacks against targets which don't threaten them directly. Until i see hard evidence that Iraq was ever a threat to the west then i will not support the war. But i i will give support to the troops because they cannot choose where they go to fight, soldiers must fight when ordered even if the cause is wrong and that they should be held blameless, Generals and politicians are the ones to blame.
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Woo, first page.

I'm honestly incredibly glad that Castro has ceded power, but i'm not too sure about his brother taking over.
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#17
Everyone seems to forget that it wasn't just the US that thought IRAQ had WMD's.
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Everyone seems to forget that it wasn't just the US that thought IRAQ had WMD's.


But everyone seems to forget that there was no evidence. And I think the US and the UK were the only people who knew that Saddam DIDN'T have WMDs. If you have WMDs, are you really going to sit there and not use them while your army is utterly destroyed in a few weeks? Deterrents are the only reason we didn't fight the USSR. But for some reason, despite "believing" Saddam had hideously powerful WMDs which he could launch in 45 minutes, we attacked anyway. And he didn't use them! Isn't that such a nice thing to do? Not at all in his character. So why didn't he use them? Why have no usable WMDs surfaced? Would you really attack someone who you believed could unleash viral/chemical death upon your country?

THEY DID NOT BELIEVE SADDAM HAD WMDS.

Even Bush isn't that retarded.
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agreed, but america takes a lot of heat for going to war alone. It just seemed to me like everyone was with us until we invaded, and it was only likely that we invaded (don't tell me france was about to do anything) and then once we do something everyone sits back and criticizes
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agreed, but america takes a lot of heat for going to war alone. It just seemed to me like everyone was with us until we invaded, and it was only likely that we invaded (don't tell me france was about to do anything) and then once we do something everyone sits back and criticizes


I can't actually remember that far back, but no-one else was as "convinced" of the existence of WMDs as the US and UK.
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ok...enough bush bashing and iraq war. What about something that is actually going on?
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Blair's horrible unpopularity at the moment and the fact he spent the week lolly gagging in America rather than dealing with his ****ed up domestic agenda which is only because the Conservatives are voting for it. it is passing or the fact he won't do anything to ease the situation in the Middle East.
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By the way, they did actually find out that Saddam had WMDs, or something that could have been a thread. Just putting it out there, no one get angry at me.
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they never found wmd's
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Blair's horrible unpopularity at the moment and the fact he spent the week lolly gagging in America rather than dealing with his ****ed up domestic agenda which is only because the Conservatives are voting for it. it is passing or the fact he won't do anything to ease the situation in the Middle East.


that's something I've been wondering lately. How popular is blair in england? He's always portrayed in a very good light on the US news. He speaks much better than bush does, so he gets kudos for being able to explain the situation. And it's been years since I've been to england. What kind of problems are you talking about?
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By the way, they did actually find out that Saddam had WMDs, or something that could have been a thread. Just putting it out there, no one get angry at me.

They found a bunch of inert chemicals that had been around for 10 years that were once chemical agents but no longer good for pretty much anything. Even a Bush administration official said that what was found is not evidence of the types of claims the Bush administration was making before the invasion.
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How popular is blair in england? He's always portrayed in a very good light on the US news.

That's because he's our bitch. Of course the US media is going to portray him in a popular light. Now he's just subject to constant ridicule in England. Watching the House of Lords is funny...a bunch of powdered wig types shouting "Yo Blair!"
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they never found wmd's


that's something I've been wondering lately. How popular is blair in england? He's always portrayed in a very good light on the US news. He speaks much better than bush does, so he gets kudos for being able to explain the situation. And it's been years since I've been to england. What kind of problems are you talking about?


He's deeply unpopular. Supposedly. A quarter of the country still fucking voted for him though, proving that ordinary people (like politicians) have difficulty in doing what they said they would.

He's much more popular in the US than in the UK.

And problems: gradually fucking up the US, destroying the education system, the prison situation, the entire home office is one big joke, John Prescott (deupty PM) is an incompetent moron and so on and so forth.
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wow, it only takes a quarter of the votes to win elections?
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wow, it only takes a quarter of the votes to win elections?


Only 60% of the eligeble voters in the UK voted, and then about 35% of them voted for Blair. That's about 25% of the electorate altogether.
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how many parties are there? If I understand correctly, in the UK system, the whole party takes office at a time with the pm?
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how many parties are there? If I understand correctly, in the UK system, the whole party takes office at a time with the pm?


Main ones are Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour (Blair's party, although few of them seem to agree with him). There's also the UK Independence Party, the British National Party (racist morons), Green Party and the Socialist Alliance. I think that's the main ones, plus Plaid Cymru (dumb welsh nationalists) and there's a scottish equivalent of that as well.
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You guys think Cuba will still fall into a dictatorship? I feel they're going to rebel and become a capatilist nation, probably selling beautiful shore land to Americans just cause the government needs the money.

You must be kidding. They original revolution was due to exactly that, Cuba being a capitalist nation and a puppet of America, as well as extremely corrupted and the huge divide between the rich and the peasants. If anything, should Cuba become a "free" democratic capitalist nation, there will be another rebellion like the one of the 50's.
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Main ones are Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour (Blair's party, although few of them seem to agree with him). There's also the UK Independence Party, the British National Party (racist morons), Green Party and the Socialist Alliance. I think that's the main ones, plus Plaid Cymru (dumb welsh nationalists) and there's a scottish equivalent of that as well.


does that work out better than the 2 party system the US has? Even if I don't agree with the ideals of some of the smaller political parties here, I still wish there were more choices than republican and democrat.

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does that work out better than the 2 party system the US has? Even if I don't agree with the ideals of some of the smaller political parties here, I still wish there were more choices than republican and democrat.

The green party is like moss, it's everywhere


While all those parties exist, only the Conservatives and Labour have any chance of victory. It is basically a two party system.

The reason that only two parties exist is because dumbasses vote for one person to "keep the other person out" and the idea that a vote for a third-party is a wasted vote. People go on about how their vote would make no difference if it went to a third-party. If everyone just shut the fuck up with their "wasted vote" shit we wouldn't be stuck with two parties.

The UK hasn't had a different party in power since WWI when the Liberals were in power.
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#34
Well that's how it is here. I don't know how much more percentage the smaller parties get in UK but in the US noone gets above 1%. I think the green party gets the most out of all the lesser parties.
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The smaller parties in the UK get a fair amount of the votes although most of the smaller parties are concentrated in smaller areas. The Liberal Democrats usually get about 20% of the vote but because of the various problems with FPTP they never get anywhere near 20% of the seats. The other small parties only have a handful of seats.
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haha, I searched for the 2004 election results and couldn't find anything other than the totals for main parties and ralph nader.

Shows you how much we value the smaller parties.
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#37
England doesn't have a Nazi Party? You guys don't know the fun you are missing out on!!

Okay, serious time: In the US we need to find parties other than the Democrats and Republicans. How about a Centrist Party? Although, as my dad who works in the news, the media would tear a centrist president to pieces. The last time we had a president that was close to centrist (Kennedy), he got assasinated.
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#38
You already have two mostly centrist parties in the US, is there really a need for another?

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#39
^^ The Libertarian Party

Not exactly centrist, but much more common sense I would say. Any party that keeps religion out of ALL legislation is what we need.
#40
America needs to break out of the Democrat/Republican rut were in. They've been working to make a better country for the last 100 years and quite frankly they've been doing a horrible job of it in the last 30 years. We haven't even seen what someone from a 3rd party can offer, like someone said above people veiw it as a wasted vote so no one chooses the alternative.