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#1
Hey guys!

So, I made a lot of money this summer, and was hoping to invest in my second guitar.

This guitat WILL NOT replace my SZ....I want a second guitar to compliment it....hopefully with a trem for a little more versatility!

First, I was planning to buy a PRS Singlecut (my dream guitar) and use my SZ as the backup, but after my Gig last night, I decided I don't need it! I recently swapped the rectifier tubes in my Dual Recto for JJ GZ34's and it brought a completely new tone to my amp. Everything is soo much tighter! Not only the tone, but it feels like I'm playing a new guitar because of it!

So, I decided to look into a second quality guitar.....with a TREM!

My first Idea, as I have always loved Ibanez, was an RG.....570 or 1570 more than likely, or a S, unless I can find something else on ebay. I will go either new or used, as money isn't really much of an issue.

Are there any other guitars you would recommend? From what I've played and heard, the RG and S seem to be the best for the money.

Next, I want to swap the pups right away!

What would you guys recommend? Again, my first thought was the PRS Tremonti's...I have them in my SZ and they pair gorgeously with my Recto! But is there anything else? I don't feel the need to dish out for Bareknuckles....at all (sorry Dave ) ....how about EMG's? Never really tried them......

EROCK....if you come around to this, I know you have tried quite a few pups in RGs....what do you have to say?

Thanks for all the help, yet again!
#2
Maybe an Ibanez s470. Or maybe a jackson soloist. Whats your price range?


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#3
S-470 or the S-520

The ZR trem is excellent, just as good an an Original FR.
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#5
I don't know too much about ibanez, but if you want one guitar to complement the other, usually you want them to have different sounds, therefore, different pickups.
I've heard Dimarzio Evos and Breeds are good, but it depends on your style.
#8
Take it from me, the newer Prestige RG's are fantastic. I have one of the neck thru RGs and the sustain is near infinite (gross exageration, but you know what I'm going for). If you don't like the S (which I have heard are also very good) Than look into the RGs. The 220 is amazing, but the neck pickup could use tweaking or swapping. The Edge Pro is an amazing trem, which is what you are looking for. I seriously recommend looking into the RG 220 Prestige or, secondly, an S.
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#9
Thank you! Exactly what I've been thinking!

I love the feel of the S! The bridge is very smooth for a trem, and the thin body is just awesome!

Keep the thoughts coming!

Any recommendations on pups? Do I want to use the same ones in both guitars?
#10
hey, you can buy my dream guitar since money is not a problem... It's the Ibanez S2170FB Prestige Figured Bubinga Electric Guitar (with Case)

http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAS2170FB

it looks pretty amazing...and its got the ZR
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#11
S has a more familar shape to an SZ user, but...


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Some things about the S series
So you're thinking about getting a Saber? There are some things about the S series Ibanez guitars that make them very different from the other instruments, and are the result of the superslim body. Yes, it's mahogany, but due to the size of it, it has very little mahogany in the body block, so do not expect the same sustain from it that you get from your Les Paul. S series likes fast runs, intricate picking, and tapping - it doesn't accentuate the string noise but lets the tapped notes ring. The tremolo cavity on the S is also quite shallow, resulting in limited arming range. If I were to tell by the feel, it's about half the range of the same exact bridge in an RG body. However, ZR, Edge, or Lo-pro Edge are great bridges that will not disappoint with tuning stability or pitch return, despite their decreased range.


Having both, I feel more comfortable with an S body than the RG body, but if you're looking for a full-ranged tremolo and longer sustain, go for RG.
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S-470 or the S-520

The ZR trem is excellent, just as good an an Original FR.



couldnt have said it better myself

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#13
Ive got an RG570, and i love it.......


Used 5xx series/7xx series, or a newer Prestige model.

As far as pickups, Dimarzio and Ibanez are peanut butter and jelly.

Id say go for a ToneZone bridge and a Paf Pro neck, HS-3 for mid if its hsh.
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#14
If I had the money for a new guitar, I'd like something with coil taps, thus I suggested Carvin, cheap neck thru guitars, coil taps, Floyd Rose for under a $1000...pretty good deal but I guess they'd lose to a Wizard neck and their pickups aren't much talked about.
#16
I've got a '98 RG520QS /w Tone Zone/Air Norton. Blue quilt/green pickups, perfect condition, Blue cliplok Strap, All original parts included, with case. And im in fact selling it.

I dont sell over the net though.
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Anyone know anything about the ESP trems? More specifically, on the MH-400 (or similar) models? Reviews seem to be very good.

Thats the only downside the trem its a stamped piece of crap like on budget guitars. The S is very nice with its ZR and mahogany body but the neck is thicker than an RG 1570's. You might as well get a Prestige Wizard neck if you have the money to play with, played with heavy gain the basswood vs. mahogany body isnt so noticeable and can be compensated for with your amps eq or an eq pedal inline.
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#21
the hellraiser neck is identical to your SZ though and the body shape as well, prob made in teh same Korean factory, Id get the japanese Prestige RG 1570 for a really different feel
#22
1570 Ftw
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#24
ESP/LTD M1000. About 950, nck thru, mahogany body, maple top, EMG's, an OFR, etc etc.

Pwns the hell out of the 1570 IMO.
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#25
Quote by MetalUpTheAss
ESP/LTD M1000. About 950, nck thru, mahogany body, maple top, EMG's, an OFR, etc etc.

Pwns the hell out of the 1570 IMO.


Yup. This.

Or a schecter.
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Quote by MetalUpTheAss
ESP/LTD M1000. About 950, nck thru, mahogany body, maple top, EMG's, an OFR, etc etc.

Pwns the hell out of the 1570 IMO.
nah older ones are maple body newer ones alder and the neck is fatter like a schecter or SZ not to mention its $250 more than a 1570, and you get a hard case for that $750
#27
Quote by CustomCustom
nah older ones are maple body newer ones alder and the neck is fatter like a schecter or SZ not to mention its $250 more than a 1570, and you get a hard case for that $750


Don't even make me go rounds about this.

LTD>RG

Spice it up, buy something other than an ibanez.
#28
Not to mention the 81/81. The pinnacle of versatility, 'ndeed.
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nah older ones are maple body newer ones alder and the neck is fatter like a schecter or SZ not to mention its $250 more than a 1570, and you get a hard case for that $750


Eh, alder. And the neck is a Thin U.

You can get another pickup than the 81 easily. EMGs hold value great, for the price you can get selling your old EMG you can get a new EMG of another style (60, 85) for teh same.
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#30
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Don't even make me go rounds about this.

LTD>RG

Spice it up, buy something other than an ibanez.
ok the Korean made $250 more guitar is the better deal with the fat neck
#31
^ every time I'm playing my dean and i switch back to my s#itty ibanez, i really notice how much thinner the neck is
and with it tuned lower and the strap high, i feel like petrucci
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i love this one, plays great, and everytime i go into the local shop and see this one i just about s#it myself, just a crazy looking guitar
and everyone looks different with the burled poplar top
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#32
Quote by MetalUpTheAss
Eh, alder. And the neck is a Thin U.

You can get another pickup than the 81 easily. EMGs hold value great, for the price you can get selling your old EMG you can get a new EMG of another style (60, 85) for teh same.
sit down and play the LTDs, the necks are just as thick as an Ibanez SZ or Schecter C series, very much thicker than a Prestige wizard not to mention thickly laquered and sticky. The satin finish maple Presitge wizard is better unless you dont want to play fast. Hell the LTD/SZ/Schecter is thicker than a 60s Les Paul slim taper neck on an Epi LP standard, Ive played all of the above and the wizard is special.
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Quote by powerage225
i love this one, plays great, and everytime i go into the local shop and see this one i just about s#it myself, just a crazy looking guitar
and everyone looks different with the burled poplar top


Not much difference in them with the standard S470, other than the finish. That's one $1200 Ibanez I won't defend.

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ok the Korean made $250 more guitar is the better deal with the fat neck


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#35
Genocide,

Since were on the topic of LTD>RG

Ibanez RG321MH 280$

-Mahogony body
-24 frets
-String thru
-AANJ


vs

LTDMH250 420$

-Agathis body
-24 frets
-String thru
-Neck thru


.... Hmmm, Looks like the 321MH is the clear winner here, seeing as how the LTD has a ****ing AGATHIS body at almost double the price as the better 321mh

Ibanez S470 450-499$

-Mahogony body
-ZR Trem
-HSH
-22 Frets

LTD MH250

-AGATHIS body
-SH!TTY LFR
-HH
-24 frets

Yet again, even though 50$ more expensive, the s470 clearly takes the win


And, the 1570 compared to the M1000, the only thing the M has over the 1570 is the EMG pickups, and i prefer a natural neck, over that slow ass painted neck.... Proper AANJ is just as good or better than a neck thru, AND the 1570 includes a 100$ case.

BAM

Backup your statements next time.
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#36
well if moneys not an issue and everything, I'd look for a JS series either 1000 or 1200. no need to change the pickups, really. id go for the 1000 cuz it comes with the Fred/PAF Pro combo instead of the signature neck pickup thats in the 1200. or i'd look on ebay for a prestige S series that has a Lo Pro Edge. you get the best of both S and RG. just my opinion.
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#37
what are you after from the tone of the guitar, eric? are you after a super-shred guitar? do you want a guitar that sounds similar to what you already have, but with a trem? does the neck profile matter to you (dimensions)? etc.

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#38
I'd like something a bit different....slightly faster neck....slightly different tone....

This isn't going to be an all-out shred guitar...I need it to be a bit more versatile than that....

I'm thinking more like Satch or Vai, but I don't want to copy their tones....I need to have a nice smooth lead, both for slower and faster ones, but be able to pull off a mean rythmn sound too.....

After listing to more and more EMG artists, I don't think EMGs are for me...I'll try to test drive them in person, but if they sound like the guitars on the album of Bullet for My Valentine, for example, I just don't like that kinda of a tone.....too sterile for me. Love the heaviness, but passive can beat that easily.

So, I think I'll be staying passive....the Tone Zone / PAF setup doesn't sound too bad....opinions?
#39
^ RG1570 man...


Basswood and H-S-H is VERY versatile and 24 frets is very versatile, from rock to all out shred dude. And the thin neck and excellent fret access compliments that for sure.


Either a 1570 or Carvin makes wonderful guitars.
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#40
^^ well, like most things it depends on your budget. For the price of the 1570, in my opinion at least, you'll be hard pushed to beat a 1570, with a pickup swap. that's not to say you can't beat a 1570, which is what a lot of people in this forum seem to think because of the way it's recommended left right and centre...

for the pickups, again it depends on budget, and also what you think is a reasonable amount to spend on them.
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