#1
I've been playing for about 7 years now and have the following gear:-

Marshall VS65R
Jackson PS4 ( with Dimarzio Breed pup in bridge )
Korg AX1500G M/FX

My problem is that my tone really sucks. Clean sounds nice but very twangy. Any distortion just bores the crap out of me. If I scoop the mids out I can get a good Metallica rhythm sound but any lead is so friggin dull it puts me to sleep. Through the M/FX my lead sound is tinny - very trebly. If I add bass to it it instantly gets muddy. ARGHHH!!

If I bypass the M/FX and just use the Overdrive channel on the amp - Oh My God what a muddy piece of crap!! Absolutely horrible.

Perhaps I am craving a tube sound? I dunno I don't know what I am missing but there has to better out here than this. I guess I am after a nice warm Opeth'y lead sound. Just something with some character.

What is the weak link in my setup? I suspect my amp is letting me down but perhaps its the guitar? Thanks dudes.
#2
Are you using your pedal with amp's clean channel or the overdrive? Usually using it with the clean sounds best.
#3
Using it with the clean channel dude. Also tried using the FX loop on the amp but couldn't tell much difference!
#4
Go the cheap route and try a different distortion pedal. May not sound cheap, but it's cheaper than a new amp/guitar.
#5
itll be the amp i think, a tube would set you on your way. However, Steve Vai's pickups are supposed to be a little twangy, as one notices when you listen to some of his clean songs, his lead clean is pretty twangy....i dont imagine that its the guitar though; seeing (sa everyone KEEPS saying), the amp makes up about 70% of your tone...
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#6
This is the craving of a tube amp, go out and buy one. When I bought my Voxac30 it was the best thing I did for my tone. You'll be impressed with the tube amps, make sure to try them out at full volume becuase they sound better when higher.
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#7
^^ x2, and that is why the Vox Valvetronix series is good: you can lower the output wattage but still have the master volume on full so: less volume but same 'cranked' tube tone!
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Quote by J.MitMetallica
^^ x2, and that is why the Vox Valvetronix series is good: you can lower the output wattage but still have the master volume on full so: less volume but same 'cranked' tube tone!
(ps: I am not a walking advert)


the Valvtetronix is very nice for low volumes but if your going to be cranking an amp it might as well be a tubed one becuase its going to sound a hell of a lot better than a hybrid.
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#10
Quote by azn_guitarist25
valvestate are pretty crap distortion wise. and yes a tube amp is well worth it


But be prepared to pay a decent amount of a decent one, and tube replacement, maintenance, and neighbors becoming enemies.

If you tone is boring, add chorus to it.
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Quote by djspank
I've been playing for about 7 years now and have the following gear:-

Marshall VS65R
Jackson PS4 ( with Dimarzio Breed pup in bridge )
Korg AX1500G M/FX

My problem is that my tone really sucks. Clean sounds nice but very twangy. Any distortion just bores the crap out of me. If I scoop the mids out I can get a good Metallica rhythm sound but any lead is so friggin dull it puts me to sleep. Through the M/FX my lead sound is tinny - very trebly. If I add bass to it it instantly gets muddy. ARGHHH!!

If I bypass the M/FX and just use the Overdrive channel on the amp - Oh My God what a muddy piece of crap!! Absolutely horrible.

Perhaps I am craving a tube sound? I dunno I don't know what I am missing but there has to better out here than this. I guess I am after a nice warm Opeth'y lead sound. Just something with some character.

What is the weak link in my setup? I suspect my amp is letting me down but perhaps its the guitar? Thanks dudes.



Get a tube amp, the weak link in your set up is your multifx pedal and the amp. Both need to be replaced. Get a JCM or something. I have a Fender Hotrod Deluxe and it sounds beautiful with a distortion pedal infront of it. But you seem to play metal and usually those that play metal don't like Fender amps so I recomend a good Marshall...not a cheap one not a solid state one or a hybrid one, a good tube Marshall (the rest all suck).
#12
You could always try getting a sustainer/compression petal. Helped out my tone a lot. Made it worlds clearer. It's only about $90 for a good one. If you don't like it, just take it back.
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#13
Thanks for the advice guys. I spose I am a bit wary of going another Valve/Solid state mixture after the Valvestate was dissapointing.

Another consideration is that I don't play in a band so I am not going to want to crank the shizenhausen out of my amp to make it sound good, so someone raised a good point that with the Valvetronix I wouldn't have to. But I assume with a meaty Marshall like a JCM or a Mesa Boogie I would?

Also you guys have got me thinking about the FX pedal as well, but I think I will try and fix the amp first - make sure I am happy with the guitar/amp clean and dirty sound with nothing in between and then worry about the FX.
#14
youv'e been playing 7 years and havent tried a tube amp? and about the cranking problem, get a like 15 watt tube or less like the fender blues jr(15 watts, like 30 SS watts) or you could get a epiphone valve jr, theres a 5watt combo version of that and a 5 watt head, and I think peaveys coming out with a small tube combo of the valveking this year
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What is plexi? Do you mean a guitar made out of plexiglass?
#15
You can always go the Fender Delux + Boss DS-1, for a quick cheap tone fixer upper.
#16
^lol to the satch thing in your sig, its funy cause its true
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What is plexi? Do you mean a guitar made out of plexiglass?
#17
Quote by mikeman
You can always go the Fender Delux + Boss DS-1, for a quick cheap tone fixer upper.


but seriousl i use that for band practice and at 1 im still pretty loud. now if the ts is just using it for bedroom practice a blues junior is more wiser.
#18
If you wanted to experiment for just a little money check out the Epiphone Valve Jr. All tube, nice tones. You can then try some different pedals or multi effects (G Major or GT-8).
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