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#82
He is a very unique person and comes up with great riffs. And he's a leftie too! All in all he is one of my favourite gituar players.
#83
Especially when you consider he lost two of the finger tips on his fretting hand.
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#86
Quote by DieN
Get paranoid and master of reality as well!


If you get those, you'll want Volume 4.

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#87
Quote by heyjoehendrix32
favorite dio album- heaven and hell or mob rules


You mentioned 2 out of 3 Dio studioalbums there
Anyway I've started listening to Master of Reality and really enjoy it. Just a question about it: is the music on the album a start of the genre "Doom metal" ??
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#88
Quote by Danne55
You mentioned 2 out of 3 Dio studioalbums there
Anyway I've started listening to Master of Reality and really enjoy it. Just a question about it: is the music on the album a start of the genre "Doom metal" ??

Doom Metal, as well as metal in general, started with the S/T album. The title track is probably the best song to sum up Doom as a genre, in my opinion. The first four albums are all considered to be Doom Metal, on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage they started branching out although there are still songs on those albums that could be considered Doom.
There was also another band who were playing similar styled Doom Metal at the same time, the american band Pentagram, who formed in 1971 and released demos/singles throughout the 70s. Try and get hold of their compilations First Daze Here and First Daze Here Too for a retrospective of their early material, which was just as important to early Heavy and Doom Metal as Sabbath.
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#89
Quote by TheHeartbreaker
Tony Iommi is pretty good, but I think some people make him out to me more than he is, but it's quite possible I just haven't listened to enough Sabbath.

I think he gets alot of his respect from being such a guitar pioneer, not to say I don't like Sabbath or anything he is one of my idols. But if you havent seen them do the song Black Sabbath on the DVD the last supper, the solo was cool as hell. That was the only live version I'd ever seen but it rocked.
#90
Quote by Danne55
You mentioned 2 out of 3 Dio studioalbums there
Anyway I've started listening to Master of Reality and really enjoy it. Just a question about it: is the music on the album a start of the genre "Doom metal" ??

To me the lyrics on that one weren't as dark as the other two. The riffs weren't quite so dark either, just heavy. Like with the first two albums the riffs and lyrics all sounded different than with Master of Reality. Might be aq good debate topic eh?
#91
Quote by Ziggy193
Sabbath was really both hard rock and heavy metal. They did originate the metal formula, but their music is a bit more blues-based than most metal bands. It's the same way with AC/DC; everyone always calls them metal, but they're really more hard rock (hell, Angus was even offended when people called them metal).

On a side note, I'm kind of new to Black Sabbath, and I do own Paranoid and Black Sabbath (the album), and I'm wondering which album to get next. So...can anyone help? (And don't say Master Of Reality, because I already know I need to get that one.)

The DVD "The Last Supper" is good except vocal overdubs during some solos and the verse to the song Black Sabbath. And Angus also hated being called punk rock .
#92
Quote by Ziggy193
Well, for example, at the music store at the mall where I live, they have AC/DC in the metal section. And also, most music magazines (namely, the stupid ones that praise Green Day incessantly) call AC/DC metal. And while I do disagree with that, AC/DC did undoubtedly influence the metal sound from the 80's. But they, themselves, are not metal. The closest they came to metal was probably Whole Lotta Rosie, and that's still not even close.

Not to stray off topic but yea, they're Blues/Hard Rock.
#93
Quote by kshelt76
Let me put this out there, I don't like Black Sabbath. I've never cared much for their music(not a big metal fan) and I doubt I ever will. But to say that they're overrated is just ignorant. I'm sorry, but it is. I see by your name that you're a VH fan. Without Sabbath there wouldn't have been an AC/DC, Van Halen, and any other hard rock/heavy metal band. Sabbath helped to pioneer hard rock and for that reason, even though I don't like their music, I owe them a tremendous amount of respect.

Very well put! THANK YOU!
#94
Quote by BlueOyster23
^Have you listened to AC/DC and Black Sabbath, they are nothing alike. Black Sabbath is a darker, grittier, lower band, while AC/DC is just a loud hard rock band. ...And I know people won't appreciate me talking about GNR in this forum, but Guns N' Roses are more towards metal than AC/DC, yet GNR are also just hard rock.

BS GN'R's album "Appetite for Destruction", is the first thing to be considered hard rock for years. Those guys were hard rock. Some people might consider them hair metal because that fan base listened to them alot too, but fact is they're hard rock. And AC/DC weren't Heavy Metal, as stated before by others, the were an influence on the genre, but they themselves were more Hard Rock than Metal.
#95
Quote by NGD1313
Ozzy w/ Sabbath > Dio w/ Sabbath

Ozzy (solo) > Dio (band)

Ozzy (now) > Dio (now)

/debate


i agree that ozzy with sabbath MAY be better than dio with sabbath, but ozzys solo band ALWAYS was worse than dios band. Dios band produced some classic stuff there
#97
Quote by get-born
What amp heads does Iommi use?

I think he has a Laney custom head to go with his amps. I dunno if he does or not.
#98
Quote by get-born
What amp heads does Iommi use?

Used to use Laney 100w Supergroup, currently using Laney GH-100TI, which is his custom model.
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#99
Quote by Ultimate_Gio92
i agree that ozzy with sabbath MAY be better than dio with sabbath, but ozzys solo band ALWAYS was worse than dios band. Dios band produced some classic stuff there


I must say that I ejoyed both Dio and Ozzy soloworks really much.
They both have some real classics like Dio with Holy Diver, Rainbow in the Dark and We Rock, and Ozzy with Crazy Train, Mr Crowley, No more Tears and Mama Im Coming Home.

However I enjoy Dio's solo work better than his Sabbath (although his best is in Rainbow). With Ozzy I really cant decide wheter I like his solo or Sabbath work more.
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#100
Jesus, will you all just stop classifying music? God damnit... You can't put music into classes, genres and stuff. Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath, AC/DC is AC/DC, GN'R is GN'R, every one of these bands have a style of their own which is very distinctive. Just stop bickering about genres and LISTEN to the music. Seems like everyone here has forgotten that music was made to be listened to and not argued about... It seems that you guys argue about genres just to be able to put yourselves into a 'genre': Look, I'm a metalhead!! or Oh yeah baby, I listen to Hard Rock!!

And even if you just HAVE to have your petty genres, can't we all just agree to disagree?

(okay, I'll admit, rock, metal, blues and the basic genres are fine, but the classification of metal is laughable. It seems as though every time a new band makes it big, there has to be a new genre. I laugh at metal for this reason.)
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#101
Quote by OneHappyCamper
Jesus, will you all just stop classifying music? God damnit... You can't put music into classes, genres and stuff. Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath, AC/DC is AC/DC, GN'R is GN'R, every one of these bands have a style of their own which is very distinctive. Just stop bickering about genres and LISTEN to the music. Seems like everyone here has forgotten that music was made to be listened to and not argued about... It seems that you guys argue about genres just to be able to put yourselves into a 'genre': Look, I'm a metalhead!! or Oh yeah baby, I listen to Hard Rock!!

And even if you just HAVE to have your petty genres, can't we all just agree to disagree?

(okay, I'll admit, rock, metal, blues and the basic genres are fine, but the classification of metal is laughable. It seems as though every time a new band makes it big, there has to be a new genre. I laugh at metal for this reason.)

Dude... If we wanna disagree yay. You can class someone into a genre if you like it isn't gonna kill the music. If I wanna class Black Sabbath as Hard Rock/Metal I'm allowed to do so. If I wanna call GN'R Hard Rock then I can if someone disagrees great they have a right to. Smae with AC/DC or any other band.
#102
Dude we can class bands if we want to. BLack Sabbath can be considered Hard Rock/Metal by anyone who want to clss them in either genre. Same thing with AC/DC or GN'R. You can class them however you wanna class them. If I say that they're both Hard Rock then that's my opinion. If someone disagrees with me then that's theirs.
#103
^Double Post...

OK, so besides the pointless topics that come up in this thread, I'm gonna begin a quest to complete my Sabbath collection. All I need is about 13 CD's I think I'm Trying to get every era of the band, including the sucky ones (if any). Next band I'm going for is Queen.
#104
That's what I try to do with most bands as well... I think I've probably complete the Bob Dylan "collection".

And Led Zeppelin, and maybe a few others.

Most bands I haven't "finished" are missing live albums.
#105
Quote by TheHeartbreaker
That's what I try to do with most bands as well... I think I've probably complete the Bob Dylan "collection".

And Led Zeppelin, and maybe a few others.

Most bands I haven't "finished" are missing live albums.


I have only "finished" Zeppelin, but I would like to do a band like Boston, or (not classic rock) Guns N Roses, just to make it easier, and then move on to the harder bands...
#106
Quote by get-born
I have only "finished" Zeppelin, but I would like to do a band like Boston, or (not classic rock) Guns N Roses, just to make it easier, and then move on to the harder bands...

Boston only have like four studios, do they have any live bootlegs of them? Oh and sorry for the double post above.
#107
I'm currently listening to the album 'Paranoid' all the way through (having only heard the odd song at other times), and it's bloody brilliant. Since my knowledge on Sabbath is fairly sketchy (and without reading throught the whole thread), I have a copule of questions:

1. Did they make any other albums with Ozzy?
2. If so, would anyone be so kind as to send them to me?
#109
Quote by TheHeartbreaker
Actually, I believe they have six.

Oh I didn't know that, and Sabbath also made the albums "Black Sabbath", "Master of Reality", and "Black Sabbath Vol. 4" with Ozzy. I think that they made two more after that but I'm not sure of the names or how many.
#110
Quote by _Mayday_

1. Did they make any other albums with Ozzy?
2. If so, would anyone be so kind as to send them to me?


1. They made 8 with Ozzy. Two of them are never considered any good because it was the decline of the Sabs.

2. Do you have AIM?


I just bought Sabotage...What a ****ing album! It's awesome although I haven't listen to all the tracks several times so I couldn't really give you a good review. But, since it's overlooked I might try for an AOTW and this time I'll pull through. BTW, sorry about failing on that Traffic album.
#112
new rock is not metal ,xcept the ones that started singin along time ago and still sing today
#113
Quote by simmons100
new rock is not metal ,xcept the ones that started singin along time ago and still sing today

What the hell is that supposed to mean.
And Sabbath can be considered both Metal (as I do) and Classic Rock and can go in either forum. Don't start that argument again.
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#114
Quote by chylde_of_fire
What the hell is that supposed to mean.
And Sabbath can be considered both Metal (as I do) and Classic Rock and can go in either forum. Don't start that argument again.


Exactly, Classic Rock is not a genre of music, it is a time period. Sabbath was famous during the time period that is generally accepted as the CR period, and therefore belong in Classic Rock discussion. They are also a heavy metal/hard rock band and they can be discussed in the forums dedicated to those genres.
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#115
WHAT THE ****!!! WHO GIVES A ****, CAN'T WE HAVE A DAMN CONVERSATION ABOUT AN EXTRAORDINARY BAND WITHOUT SOME NOOB COMING AND SAYING WHETHER THEY ARE METAL OR NOT!!!??

I'm serious, it's really getting on my nerves lately. It doesn't matter, since there is a thread about them in the CRforum, that's where we talk about them, it doesn't ****ing matter.
#116
Quote by distilledspirit
WHAT THE ****!!! WHO GIVES A ****, CAN'T WE HAVE A DAMN CONVERSATION ABOUT AN EXTRAORDINARY BAND WITHOUT SOME NOOB COMING AND SAYING WHETHER THEY ARE METAL OR NOT!!!??

I'm serious, it's really getting on my nerves lately. It doesn't matter, since there is a thread about them in the CRforum, that's where we talk about them, it doesn't ****ing matter.

Thank you, they are great. Does anyone know what album Hole in the Sky is on?
#118
Just to be in with the "it-getters", I too will say that the above user sucks dog lipstick. Sry bud. By the way Dire Straits rule. Hooray my first post
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#119
Quote by Page&HammettFan
Does anyone know what album Hole in the Sky is on?

Sabotage.
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