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Hey guys, basically in the title, I was just looking at some guitars before when it struck me that you never see Les Paul style guitars with locking trems. As nobody I know knows why I thought i'd ask you lot.

I was just wondering why as I have seen the occasional standard trem on a Les Paul stylee ( i.e. PRS Mark Tremonti) but never a locking one. I'm aware this is a fairly n00bish question but i'm curious to know frankly.

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#2
I think that its got something to do with Les Pauls are built for good sustain, and a tremolo system is known to reduce sustain. I think....
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#3
Its because most Les Pauls have carved tops and its really hard for a machine to rout out wood evenly enough when the top of the les paul is usually with a maple top thats curved.

Also yes most Les paul users would think it a horrible idea.

However a decent Trem for a LP would be a Washburn wonderbar which used to have an attachment that allows you to just bolt it on a les paul without routing.
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#7
there have been les pauls with trems, only they never were successful.

Schaller makes an LP trem which works without drilling any holes. Just replace the existing bridge/tailpiece and that's it. Doesn't dive too far, though...

The thing is, the tune-o-matic bridge was originally designed for the les paul and has become a signature element of it. Same way all LP's have 24.75 inch scale lengths.
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#8
I tihnk it's also because LPs were originally made before trems were actually really used by anyone, and it's just tradition to keep them off.
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#9
LPs offer a very very good sustain because the bodys are quite big. Putting on a trem would take away a lot of the sustain that makes LPs who they are.
#10
I've seen trems on LP but honestly they are build for crunch. I actually prefer playing without a trem. They guitar stays in tune better, and most of what you can do on a trem you can do with your fingers or a pedal.
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#11
Well basically LP is a slab of maho, the beefy tone and sustain are it's key, but it's be fruitless trying to make a floyd rose into it, because those bastards at gibson will double the price of the guitar.
#12
Kahler have a trem made to retrofit on carved top guitars. but ESP have released a few Eclipse s with FR on them but usually they're Custom Shop Models or Sig Models either way they were both expensive
#13
ive seen 1 excellent black custom LP from (surprise surprise) a custom shop with an OFR on it, and that was very cool, but apart from that:
sustain suffers, fixed bridge has attributes like double bends and stuff, and i guess les paul didnt design it that way...
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#14
check this out stetsbar!!! looks like a cool alternative
yea neal schon has a floyded lp too. i think alot of wierd lp owners are scared of covering up their "gorgeous figuring" or some **** like that.
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^ Yep, it was one of his friends' Les Paul Deluxe, http://floydrose.com/firstbridge.html . A very interesting build.
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They [Tune-o-Matics] have amazing intonation, dunno if anyone here said that yet. Anyway, I would love a black Epiphone Les Paul Custom with a Lo-Pro bridge (why a Lo-pro? Because, if I'm not mistaken, they have a bigger trem block, thus more sustain) . Dunno about the intonation, but whatever.
#18
Kh 603? or is it the kh-3 in ESP terms? dunno but one of the kirk hammet sigs is an eclipse (aka LP) with a locking trem.
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i think that reply would be appropriate for a topic titled "why aren't there acoustics with floyd rose double locking trems" but what's wrong with an LP having one?

Locking trems are more designed for soloing guitars, and LP's aren't renowned for their soloing abilities due to their traditionally fat necks and heavy designs, however there are guitars that retain the LP shape and therefore can afford to introduce a locking trem and incorporate it within the design like the KH-603.

As far as i remember bigsby's were more common on traditional lp's.

i'm still a fan of hardtails.
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#22
There's also an issue with the neck angle and the break angle of the strings over the TOM bridge. The installation of a floyd or 2 post floating trem would be difficult in the case of real-deal les pauls because of the distance between the strings at the bridge and the top of the body. You could put a floating tremolo on an LP, but you wouldn't really be able to recess it into the body without adjusting the neck angle, which ain't happening on a standard LP.
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check this out stetsbar!!! looks like a cool alternative
yea neal schon has a floyded lp too. i think alot of wierd lp owners are scared of covering up their "gorgeous figuring" or some **** like that.


I love the Stetsbar actually, but I'm not sure how it sounds, I'd love to try one out though
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im not gonna lie, but i definetly disagree with the statememtn made that lps are bad soloing guitars, maybe shredding or super fast solos. but i think theyr sound makes solos. i have a gibby lp standard, the when i pull a solo from like ac/dc or zeppelin, it flippin screams every note like crazy. i think the fat neck makes it difficult for you to do alot of fast/crazy stuff on higher frets, but in no way is it a bad soloing guitar. point made?
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Kahler have a trem made to retrofit on carved top guitars. but ESP have released a few Eclipse s with FR on them but usually they're Custom Shop Models or Sig Models either way they were both expensive

I don't think there are ECs with trems, just the Kirk Hammett sig. Which is pretty ugly IMO.

EDIT:Oh. My. God. Whoever said LPs (not the ones I mentioned) looked ugly with FRs... Shut your greasy ass piehole.
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One of the LPs is a Burny though, which looks better than the Gibby IMO.
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#27
Some have trems. Snowy White, who's currently touring with Roger Waters, has a LP with a whammy.
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#28
I am looking at my Les Paul right now and I personally think the only kind of trem that would look at all decent would be a Bigsby.
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#29
Gary Moore would own the guy who said LPs are bad soloing guitars.

LP's don't have trems cause it's just lame. The low maintence aspect of the LP also makes it awesome.
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I totally agree a LP isnt a LP if its got a trem on it its just not made for it. I will accept it if its a bigsby but even then i wouldnt play one LPs are fixed bridges and thats the way they should stay
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#31
Les Pauls with trems, really just dont' look all that great, and i'd find it amusing watching someone pulling off dives, and the sqeels dimebag does on one. Now I do believe the Explorer and Flying V are well, generalized as hard rock or metal guitars, they need more with trems and 24 frets.
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Les Pauls with trems, really just dont' look all that great, and i'd find it amusing watching someone pulling off dives, and the sqeels dimebag does on one. Now I do believe the Explorer and Flying V are well, generalized as hard rock or metal guitars, they need more with trems and 24 frets.


IMO explorers not so much better as a rhythm guitar IMO but yes they need more 24 fret flying Vs made of Mahogany with a OFR
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#33
in the gear thread someone has to Les's with floyds,and they r fine guitars...im thinkings about getting a agile les with a floyd and see how it is....
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#34
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im not gonna lie, but i definetly disagree with the statememtn made that lps are bad soloing guitars, maybe shredding or super fast solos. but i think theyr sound makes solos. i have a gibby lp standard, the when i pull a solo from like ac/dc or zeppelin, it flippin screams every note like crazy. i think the fat neck makes it difficult for you to do alot of fast/crazy stuff on higher frets, but in no way is it a bad soloing guitar. point made?


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The reason is that the Les Paul is not built to be a shred guitar, although it can certainly be used as a solo guitar (Slash, Page, Perry?!?!). Les Pauls are made for heavy rock and rich, smooth soloing with incredible sustain. Also, the wide necks on Les Pauls and the limited upper fret access make shredding even more difficult, although it can certainly be done if you try hard enough. Whammy bars are typically used when shredding, so it makes sense that they aren't included on a Les Paul. However, some of the earliest Les Paul Standards came fitted with Bigsbys, but I have never heard of putting a Floyd on a Les Paul. Personally, I wouldn't want to put a Floyd on a Les Paul anyway.


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IMO explorers not so much better as a rhythm guitar IMO but yes they need more 24 fret flying Vs made of Mahogany with a OFR


I dont' really think the body shape has anything to do with what its used for, its mostly just something people generalize because thats what james hetfield used it for. Explorers are my favorite shred guitar...flying v's are just the second most sexy thing since a bus full of cheerleaders rubbing oil on each other, the explorer is the first most sexy thing.
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#36
explorers r sexy, but so is a alpine white les with gold hardware...
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explorers r sexy, but so is a alpine white les with gold hardware...




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explorers r sexy, but so is a alpine white les with gold hardware...


Your talking to the most biased person about explorers. Definaly my favorite guitar. In my book the alpine white les paul with gold hardware comes right after a flying v, and is followed by an aged white Fender Tele.
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#39
bak to the note of a les with a floyd,i want a floyd,but i dont no much about them and im not so sure i wanna jack up my les copy i have...its a johnson,good guitar pickup and body wise.....but i also have a strat copy,which has a standard strat trem,would it be easy to have someone route that out and put a floyd in it..?..i no i should make my own thread but its all about a floyd and routing and guitars,right?
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#40
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I don't think there are ECs with trems, just the Kirk Hammett sig. Which is pretty ugly IMO.

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