#4
Repeat symbol at the end, first repeat symbol is the point you start the repeat.
#5
oh so the first repeat symbol is where the repeat starts and the second repeat symbol is where the repeat ends?
#8
thats a good song.
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#9
and if there's a 1 and a 2 at some point in there, that's first and second ending to that repeated part.
#11
you repeat that phrase again after the 2nd one from the start of the 1st one
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#13
He's talking about first and second endings. The section of "Paradise City" up there doesn't have any, first and second endings have a bracket above the staff that have a 1 or a 2 (or bigger numbers maybe) in it. In that case, the section of the staff below the 1 will probably (not always) have a repeat sign. The first time, you would play the part below the bracket with the 1 (first ending) and repeat, and then the second time, when you get the part where the first ending begins, you skip to the second ending. If that makes any sense whatsoever. I will hopefully edit with a picture ...

EDIT:

On this picture, you would start at letter A, play through letter B to letter C, and then repeat (as the sign tells you to do) back to letter A, and play the passage again, but this time when you get to letter B, skip to letter D. The letters won't be on an actual sheet of music, I just put them there to show you what to do. Hope that helps.

Oh, when you get to a repeat sign that tells you to repeat back to somewhere and you can't find a sign to tell you where to repeat back to (as in the picture above, there is a :|| sign but no ||: sign) it is assumed that you repeat back to the beginning of the passage (or song or whatever)
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#14
i think i get it, i play it through once no problem, then i play everthing apart from the second ending and then i play everything apart from the 1st ending
#15
Pretty much, yeah, except that you don't play every thing once no problem at the beginning. I like your method of explaining it better, actually. Easier to understand than my (convoluted, hard to understand) explanation. First time, just play everything but the second ending, then the second time, just play everything but the first ending.
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#17
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what do the symbols in the red circle mean/represent please


does it matter how many dots are on either end to show how many times you repeat it or does the symbol just look like that and you only have to repeat once
#18
Quote by Nitro89
huh, i don't get that
Pull up this graphic while you read this explanation...

To play this example begin at the beginning and play until reaching...

1. the end repeat sign. You have now played the first ending, as indicated by the 1 under the bracket. Maintaining the pulse of the music, return to...

2. the start repeat sign. Continue playing until you again reach...

3. the end repeat sign. You have now played the second ending. This is also the final time through this measure because the largest number under the bracket is 2. Return immediately to...

4. the start repeat sign. Continue playing until you arrive at...

5. the barline directly under the repeat ending bracket. Maintaining tempo and pulse, go immediately to...

6. the first measure following the end repeat sign. From here continue playing until you reach...

7. the final barline.

I hope this helped.
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#19
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does it matter how many dots are on either end to show how many times you repeat it or does the symbol just look like that and you only have to repeat once


no thats just how a repeat sign is, you repeat it only once
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#20
gpb0216 why do i have to repeat the 1st bar after the 2nd ending, dont i just go onto no6?
#21
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gpb0216 why do i have to repeat the 1st bar after the 2nd ending, dont i just go onto no6?
No. The highest number under (sometimes over) the repeat bracket (a 2 in this case) tells us how many times to play all the way to the end repeat sign (marked with the navigation numbering I supplied for the diagram, 1, 3). When you go back to the start repeat sign (marked 2, 4) you play until you reach the repeat bracket. In fact, you always play until you reach the repeat bracket (if there is one). The number(s) under or over the bracket tell us how many times we're going to proceed through the barline indicated by the front edge of the repeat bracket (marked with a 5 here).

Perhaps a better way to notate this graphic would have been to indicate the measure numbers as you'd actually play them if you encountered this notation...

1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 8 ||
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#22
My apologies for posting twice, but I've modified the graphic to include measure numbers (in red).

If you were to encounter this notation, you'd play the measures in this order:

1 2 3 2 3 2 4 5 6
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#23
This is why Im glad I learned piano and saxaphone before learning guitar. This is a total n00b sheet music question. No offence though, I understand. That is the sign for where the repeat starts when you repeat. When you reach the repeat on the left, you go back to the one on the right. You only repeat once though.
#24
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My apologies for posting twice, but I've modified the graphic to include measure numbers (in red).

If you were to encounter this notation, you'd play the measures in this order:

1 2 3 2 3 2 4 5 6


you know when you play the 1st ending and then the 2nd ending, why do you go back for no 2 (above the 2 in the red) again after the second ending, after the second ending dont you go straight to no 4 ( the 4 in the red)? Why do you repeat no 2 (the 2 in the red) once more after the 2nd ending?
#25
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This is why Im glad I learned piano and saxaphone before learning guitar. This is a total n00b sheet music question. No offence though, I understand. That is the sign for where the repeat starts when you repeat. When you reach the repeat on the left, you go back to the one on the right. You only repeat once though.
You are mistaken. The highest number under the repeat bracket (a 2 in this example) tells you how many times you're going to play to the end repeat sign. There is no upper limit for this number, but 3 is probably about the practical maximum. Beyond that it can get pretty difficult to remember how many times you've played the repeated section.
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#26
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you know when you play the 1st ending and then the 2nd ending, why do you go back for no 2 (above the 2 in the red) again after the second ending, after the second ending dont you go straight to no 4 ( the 4 in the red)? Why do you repeat no 2 (the 2 in the red) once more after the 2nd ending?
Because you must return to the start repeat sign ( ||: ) every time you hit the end repeat sign ( :|| ). The number under (or over) the bracket tells you exactly how many times you're going to go all the way to the :||. If there is no number under (or over) the bracket you go to the :|| only once.

So, you come to the :|| the second time (remember the 2 under the bracket) and so you must return to the ||:. From there you start back toward the :||. But before you get there you once again encounter the bracket. Since you've already come to and passed through the barline at the bracket twice (remember the 2) you can't go any farther on this path. You must now jump to the measure immediately following the :|| to continue reading. That measure in this case is measure # 4.

From there you continue playing to the end.

Have I cleared this up for you yet? If not, I'll happily keep working with you until you get it.

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#27
thankyou, i think i get it, thanks

what does this symbol mean? do i continously hammer and pull off?

#28
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thank you, i think i get it, thanks
You're very welcome.
what does this symbol mean? do i continously hammer and pull off?
Yes. The twin slashes tell us to repeat whatever came just before, in this case the hammer/pull septuplet figure. You'll end up playing this figure a total of four times according to the notation in the image.
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