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#1
I want a good guitar that will last me years and years and that would sound good enough to record and play live with. I play a LOT of "experimental" stuff (think The Mars Volta and At The Drive-In), as well as some hardcore and punk-ish stuff. I want something that will handle those sounds well.

I REALLY love Les Paul Juniors. I just love the look of them and love the sound of P-90's. I've heard the Gibson version for $750 is garbage, so I've kind of let go of that, but what about the new Epiphone '57 LP Jr. Reissue? It's still mahogany with the set neck and a pickup change is easy. Would that fit my needs, or should I be looking at older Gibson LP Jr.'s? I don't have thousands to spend, but I want something that's going to be good for what I want it for.

What would you guys suggest for something like this? Recording, playing live, and a Les Paul Jr. or similar with a P-90/P-100. Preferably a single pickup as well.

EDIT: Also, please note that I will be upgrading my amp toa full tube Marshall as well. No need to nag about the MG.
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Last edited by Xenn99 at Aug 24, 2006,
#2
I would really suggest the Epiphone Les Paul Goldtop with P90's(or is it the p100s or whatever?). That guitar is really good. Nice cleans and really good for some crunchy rock tones. And if you take care if it, it WILL last.

As far as recording goes...you just need a new amp mate. The Marshall will sound like **** if you record with it. But for live, it will definately deliver. Not many people give a crap about the guitar tone when you're playing live. Unless you're famous.

But yeah, check out that Epi goldtop. It's really nice!

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#3
Ok, I'll check that out now. Also, I won't be using the MG for recording. Just as a practice amp. I'll get a nice tube amp for recording - so that's not a huge worry.

Right now I'm looking for the guitar though. I know the sounds I want, and a P-90 or similar pup should get them through a nice amp. I'll look into the Goldtop, as well as similar guitars now.

Anyone else have any suggestions? Remember - I'll be using this guitar for years for recording and hopefully live playing.
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Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#4
I'd also just like to add that I don't care what name is on the headstock of the guitar. I just want a good, high quality instrument that will last me and work well for what I'll be using it for.
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Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#5
I can't say how great it is, but the Fender TC-90 thinline looks like a great instrument. 2 Duncan P-90s, mahogany body (i think) and a really hot finish. Try and find one to give it a try. Just to say, I love p-90s in guitars, definatly my favourite kind of p/u. I would also look into a Godin LG p-90, a PRS soapbar II, or a Gibson SG Classic (if you can find one). Good luck.
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#6
Oh, forgot about the Epiphone Casino. That is one of the nicest clean guitars i've ever heard.
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#7
Definately look into an LP with P90's, I hear that agile are amazing quality and they have probably every model of their guitar in P90 form

If you can afford then that goldtop would look and sound awesome, i love gold top LPs
#8
You want a Professional Guitar?

Would have to be a proper Gibson then not a Epiphone. (No Offense to people who have them but there not really Pro Guitars)
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#10
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You want a Professional Guitar?

Would have to be a proper Gibson then not a Epiphone. (No Offense to people who have them but there not really Pro Guitars)


depends really on what you class as a pro guitar. i think after a pickup upgrade, the epi and gibson version of the same guitar would have a minimal difference in a live application. of course the epi might not last 40 years and be sold for 100 grand. In terms of the actualy sound of the two guitars, with the same hardware, i think you'd be hard pressed in finding an audience member who'd know the difference.

In terms of the feel perhaps the epi's fretboard might not feel as polished, or well worked on and so on.

Gibsons are built to last, epi's are built to be last until you buy a Gibson.

Look at the agiles, apparently they're good.
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#11
"i think after a pickup upgrade, the epi and gibson version of the same guitar would have a minimal difference in a live application. of course the epi might not last 40 years and be sold for 100 grand. In terms of the actualy sound of the two guitars, with the same hardware, i think you'd be hard pressed in finding an audience member who'd know the difference."

True enough, because most of the tone comes from your amp and fingers. There more to it than sound though, its how its plays, what its made off and how well its made.
Thats the difference between expensive and cheap instruments.
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#12
A "professional level" guitar doesn't have to be expensive. AT ALL. I've seen a
LOT of working musicians with very inexpensive guitars. After all, people don't
pay to see the guitar, they pay to see the player. As long as a guitar has the
tone and feel you want, what more do you need? Just about any guitar will last a
long time when taken care of.

For an amp, no one needs a stack or half stack unless they can play LOUD and
play out. A good recording amp can be very different than a good gig amp. Some
great recordings have been made with a tiny amp in a bathtub. I like a low watt
tube amp for recording or I just line-in directly through a modeler/effects unit
which is also very convenient and sounds good.
#13
yeh i think any guitar will be good enough for recording heck i use a squier tele sometimes for recording. and yeh the guitar just needs to meet your sound demand and the amp and feel nice and your set to go
#14
This right here would ass-rape that Epiphone...

http://www.rondomusic.net/al3000prestp90.html

or

http://www.rondomusic.net/al-3000csbp90.html

For my serious band work, my AL-3000 is my main working guitar. I think that either of these would suit your needs perfectly. You might want to consider swapping the pickups to better P90s (like Duncans), but otherwise you'd have a quality guitar for not a whole lot of money.

And congratulations about not caring about the name on the headstock. I'm the same. I'll play absolutely any brand of guitar as long as it feels good and sounds good. I'm not married to any brand in particular.
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#15
I've got a epiphone les paul custom which will last me my life i think. Its a gem, for sure, but i think you should just visit guitar shops and look for a gem among the guitars you try out. After having changed the pickups and the bridge of my epiphone, it feels just as good as any gibson i've ever tried. Granted, the sound is not as good as the best gibsons, but its as good as the average gibson standard les paul i'd say. But playability, its the most comfortable guitar i've ever played, only rivalled by another epiphone, albeit an elitist.
Well, just to be like everyone else, here's my rig:

Fender American Stratocaster
Epiphone Les Paul Custom
Washburn J28SDL

Mesa/Boogie F-50 Combo
#16
Christ. that agile is alot of guitar for the money, made of mahogany and ebony.
Is that canadian dollars?
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Mesa 50/50 Stereo Power Amp
Laney 4x12 Cab
#17
Those are US dollars on the Rondo Music site.
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#18
The PRS SE Soapbar II is well worth a look, it has P90s and plays really well. Definitely check one out
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#19
That would be approx 180 pounds uk money.
Thats cheap.
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Mesa 50/50 Stereo Power Amp
Laney 4x12 Cab
#20
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The PRS SE Soapbar II is well worth a look, it has P90s and plays really well. Definitely check one out

I have one of those and I love mine. The neck's a little thick, but I've got big hands so it doesn't bother me. Dirties up really well and the cleans... :drools:

What about a Rickenbacker? Their stock pickups are very much like soapbars, but a little twangier. Alright, I'm exaggerating. A Rick's twang makes a Tele sound like an ES-135.
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#21
Check out some washburn idols. They're solid mahogany, and destroy any epiphones and agiles. Look at the WI66 pro and above.

Good luck man

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#22
Thanks for the advice everyone.

I'm thinking that the best thing to do would be to sit down and try out a ton of guitars and find the feel and sound I want.

I really, REALLY like the Les Paul Jr. look, but I haven't tried one before, so I don't know if I'll like the feel. I'll have to try one to truly know if it's for me or not.

Now, for a recording amp, I was thinking a small tube combo amp. Anyone have suggestions for one?
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Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#23
these are rare, but if you find a JS700 (i think thats the model), try to hit that up. its an Ibanez JS series with P90s. they had one at my local GC used for $475 USD. i loved jamming on that thing. with the right amp, i'd be there for 3-4 hours playing nonsense. its not trem-equipped so dont worry about that. i also second the purchase of the Epi Goldtop. again, with the right amp, just jam away.
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#24
I've always gotta do this, because I own one and think they're highly under-rated... Traynor amps. Great and extremely affordable tube amp... my 410, 80watt tube was only about 800, and it's good for recording and live.

But if you're looking for something for just recording, just remember that what's best for recording is opposite of what's best for live... you want very low wattage. You get the best tone when you're pushing the tubes, but get the speakers too loud and the mic won't pick it up properly... you can even damage really nice mics with too loud of an amp. There's an amp by zvex, it's only about, like, .5 watts or so, with a military grade tube, and it's about the size of an mxr pedal with a tube sticking out of the top. It even has a built in speaker, though he mainly just did that to show that he could. But on the demo for it, mr vex puts it into a 412 cab (maybe fender, I can't remember), and he gets the tone out of it of the best sounding, super loud stacks, but at the volume of, like, a set of computer speakers. Which means the sound coming out of the amp is the exact sound you hear recorded... no mic distorting whatsoever.
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#26
Quote by Xenn99
Ok, I'll check that out now. Also, I won't be using the MG for recording. Just as a practice amp. I'll get a nice tube amp for recording - so that's not a huge worry.

Right now I'm looking for the guitar though. I know the sounds I want, and a P-90 or similar pup should get them through a nice amp. I'll look into the Goldtop, as well as similar guitars now.

Anyone else have any suggestions? Remember - I'll be using this guitar for years for recording and hopefully live playing.



I think you should use your MG for anger management, when you're angery just kick the **** out of it. Thats what MGs are best for .
#27
For p-90ish stuff my favorite is the elitist riviera with the p-94s not exactly like p90's but close.
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#28
Look into The Gibson SG classic It has the p90's and a great price for a gibson


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#29
hey man im liking the looks of these guitars, that fender thinline looks awsome though. Im kinda a big fender fanboy though so tahts why it jumped out, also those agiles looked sick

Now saying the epiphones arent professional is bull, ive seen live acts play squieres.
Also i no i can play well wit my mex strat, so whateva works.
#30
Got a budget, Xenn?


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#31
The guitar doesn't matter, unless you can play like a professional. A professional would not be asking this question in the first place, okay?
#32
if you're into experimental, look into something with a FR. like the s470. or one of the prestiges of the same series. i hear the totally pwn!
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#33
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The guitar doesn't matter, unless you can play like a professional. A professional would not be asking this question in the first place, okay?



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#34
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The guitar doesn't matter, unless you can play like a professional. A professional would not be asking this question in the first place, okay?


No, you're right. A professional wouldn't be asking this because they get to sit down and try hundreds of guitars to find the perfect one for them and then get it handed to them for free. I'm not a professional, so I can't exactly do that, now can I?

As for my playing skill, Yes. I'm at a "professional" level. With pop-punk and emo dominating music charts, it's not that difficult to be at a professional skill level. Most beginners are at a "professional" skill level thanks to simple music dominating music today. Seeing that I play more difficult styles than emo and pop-punk, I'd say I can play fairly well by today's standards. I still have a way to go, but I'm getting there.

Basically, I started this thread to get advice on good equipment that will last me a while and work for what I want to do. I know I'm not a professional musician, but I want to become one. And to do that, I need to start working at it instead of just practicing with my MG and WI14 in my room.

Right now I'm thinking this is the setup I'll go for;

Epiphone '57 Les Paul Junior Reissue
Epiphone Valve Junior head
Danelectro Fish n' Chips EQ pedal

I'm also looking at various effect pedals, so I'll have that covered as well.

I really, really like the '57 Jr., and I may replace the P-100 if I don't like it, but I'll have to test it out first. It's mahogany, so I can't see it being too horrible. Maybe at most some new strings and a setup if the p-100 is ok.

I've heard nothing but excellent things about the Valve Jr., and it will fit my needs perfectly - plus with the EQ I can get a lot of variation in sound.

Does that sound like a good setup?
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Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#35
Quote by Xenn99
No, you're right. A professional wouldn't be asking this because they get to sit down and try hundreds of guitars to find the perfect one for them and then get it handed to them for free. I'm not a professional, so I can't exactly do that, now can I?

As for my playing skill, Yes. I'm at a "professional" level. With pop-punk and emo dominating music charts, it's not that difficult to be at a professional skill level. Most beginners are at a "professional" skill level thanks to simple music dominating music today. Seeing that I play more difficult styles than emo and pop-punk, I'd say I can play fairly well by today's standards. I still have a way to go, but I'm getting there.

Basically, I started this thread to get advice on good equipment that will last me a while and work for what I want to do. I know I'm not a professional musician, but I want to become one. And to do that, I need to start working at it instead of just practicing with my MG and WI14 in my room.

Right now I'm thinking this is the setup I'll go for;

Epiphone '57 Les Paul Junior Reissue
Epiphone Valve Junior head
Danelectro Fish n' Chips EQ pedal

I'm also looking at various effect pedals, so I'll have that covered as well.

I really, really like the '57 Jr., and I may replace the P-100 if I don't like it, but I'll have to test it out first. It's mahogany, so I can't see it being too horrible. Maybe at most some new strings and a setup if the p-100 is ok.

I've heard nothing but excellent things about the Valve Jr., and it will fit my needs perfectly - plus with the EQ I can get a lot of variation in sound.

Does that sound like a good setup?



That sounds like a pretty good setup.
The Epi head sounds great, what cab are you thinking about pairing it with?
Good idea to get the EQ and the Epi is probably a good guitar.
#36
I'm helping YOU out Xenn :P. i have the same prob. i want a p-90 guitar too. try a Washburn WI66PROG.
#37
how much $$$ do you have to spend on a new setup???
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#38
I'm trying to keep it under $500 without effects. I'll get effects slowly over the next year or so.

I'll just use my MG for a cabinet for now, but I'll eventually get a nice cab for it. It should be fine for what I want to do.

I know I want a Les Paul Jr., and the Epi seems like the best without going vintage. The Gibson one is probably just as bad as the faded special series, so I want to steer clear of that. Plus it's $750, which is out of my price range.

So, this setup, with a hardcase for the guitar and some new leads will be just under $500.
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Washburn WI14 Electric
Washburn D10s Acoustic
Marshall MG100HDFXR Special Edition
Marshall MG412AR Special Edition

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#39
Just noticed that you cited The Mars Volta as part of your sound you're going for... and I've been extremely inflenced by Omar's guitar playing ever since At the Drive In, so I just thought I'd drop a couple of suggestions from all the info I've gleamed hangin around the mars volta message board for too long.

For one, he doesn't really use nice guitars. Just single pickup, single volume nob ibanez axes, and before that some cheap Jaguar, I think. Basically, guitars with good single coil bite. The lp jr is one good one to go at that, but I'd also go on ebay and check out old japanese guitars. Teisco, Norma, Kent, Univox... other brands I can't think of. You can find lots of a really unique guitars with wonderful soul to them for extremely cheap. As soon as I have the money to spare for it, I'm plannin on getting myself one... or 2 or 3 even, they can be extremely cheap.

And as far as pedals go, personally, I've never really had any use for my eq pedal. It may just be me, you may get tons of use out of it, but I think you'd get more use out of a good delay. All the boss delays are good, and then there are awesome analog delays, but they're generally more expensive. But if you ever get more money to spend on pedals, look a lot at ZVex and Electro Harmonix. Both can be a bit pricey, but both are so worth it. All analog, superior quality(any zvex pedal, no matter how you got it, if it breaks, zachary vex will repair it for free), and not to mention some really unique effects. And if you ever get really rich, check out the moogerfoogers... 700 dollar delay. I haven't heard it, but I assume it must be amazing for that price.
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Les Paul style DeArmond
Danelectro baritone
Rickenbacker 360/12
defretted Strat
lap steel
Yamaha CP-70
Yamaha P-90
Kay archtop
Kay Tenor Banjo
Oud
Sitar
Harmonium
Melodica
Cello

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#40
The most veratile guitars around I find are (in order)

Strat with HB
ES 335 with coil tap
Telecaster

Those can get you a whole bunch of sounds, and would last you a while.
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