#1
I know how bad the spyder 2 is and everything. But are all of these amps really bad? Like what about the flextone? Do they ALL suck?
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#2
I've only tried one that was 100W, it might have been the Spyder 2 and it was really bad. I guess you can't expect much though when the price was $300 for 100W.
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#3
every amp the line 6 makes that doesnt say Spyder/Spider are good, IMO.
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#5
Because I know this guy thats selling a Flextone 3 for 450 and I wanna know if its a good amp or not. Im ganna go try and find one and try it but im asking here first
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#6
I don't like the idea behind what Line 6 are trying to do. They're trying to make pro quality amps that just replicate the sounds of other amps, there's no uniqueness to them. There's also the question as to how accurate the sounds are. Personally I'd rather have a Vox AC30, JCM800, Dual Rectifier or any other amp with a unique tone than an amp that can, or tries to, sound like them and lets you switch between them
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#8
Is the Flextone 3 anygood?
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#9
^I hear the FT3 competes or even surpasses the Vox ADxxVT series that most UGers love dearly. Of course, check it out before you buy it. :P
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#10
I've played a flextone a few times, and I coulden't get a tone that I liked out of it. I don't just play blues even though my title implys that. I also could not get a decent metal or hard rock tone. So I would stay away from line 6 in general.
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#11
Ok, probs gna get whipped for entering this thread...but hey...its opinions right. I own the 120 watt Spider 2 amp and i'm over the moon with it. Yeah ok, the dude b4 made a point about it just replicating amps, but come on...what's original nowadays. I mean, all the metal guys have pretty much the same guitar tone. But anywayz...I've had it for almost a year now...been super handy for gigs....got 4 sweet tones set up on it..so overall, I like it. All you guys may disagree, but hey...we're humans, we're all different dude. There's probably some insane dude that doesn't like Mesa Boogies....you never know
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#12
^He has a bad taste in tone.
Incidentally I don't like Mesa Boogies, but I know they have good tone.

Anyways, the Line 6 stuff typically sounds VERY digital...I can't recommend it.
For 450 bucks you should start looking at tube amps.
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#13
I have a bad taste in tone? Dude, you don't even know me/heard me play. I actually own this amp and have got some pretty sweet settings on it. I mean...no one's actually come up and said....dude ur amp sounds fake, it sucks...i've had one dude tell me that i should get rid of it simply becuase it was Line 6..but we were nowhere near a guitar or that amp so he didnt knwo ****. However I've had several people tell me that I've got a very good tone on it. Not just some pussy trebley dist, but a beefy powerful metal dist thats still got a sweet amount of treble on it
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#14
I believe the Flextone III retails around 700? And I think it's a hybrid, so the tone is going to be nicer than a plain SS.

However, like pink said... for 450 you could find tube amps, and with 700.. that'll be no problem. Just find a versatile combo.

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I have a bad taste in tone? Dude, you don't even know me/heard me play. I actually own this amp and have got some pretty sweet settings on it. I mean...no one's actually come up and said....dude ur amp sounds fake, it sucks...i've had one dude tell me that i should get rid of it simply becuase it was Line 6..but we were nowhere near a guitar or that amp so he didnt knwo ****. However I've had several people tell me that I've got a very good tone on it. Not just some pussy trebley dist, but a beefy powerful metal dist thats still got a sweet amount of treble on it



Who cares how you play? A bad tone is a bad tone. While you may like the tone from the Spider II, there is always better. Even for a low budget guitarist. Spider IIs suck, end of story.
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#15
ive played this one line 6 amp that was pretty amazing. if im not mistaken, its an ax212. the JCM800 clean on it was awesome, with a bass, it was t3h s3x. it had about 100 different effects, which were all great.
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#16
Yeah, but come on. Its not like I'm the only dude that uses a Spider. Tonnes of pros use it...ok sure they got huge rigs and what not, but still, it's a sweet amp (in my opinion). And thats what really counts anyways. Its my amp, so my opinion matters basically. But whats the point in a web forum if you dont argue and just rely on opinion.

And basically, the dude said it doesnt matter how I play. I wasnt refering to my guitar playing....i meant...they hadn't actually heard my tone from my amp, so they don't know wheater my tone sucks or not
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#17
LMAO...tons of pro's use Spiders...?


And lol, I know KNOW Spider tone sucks. Proven fact around here kiddo.
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#18
I've played a Spider II, and I've heard endless clips of it. There are no good tones in that amp.

And pros do NOT use those amps. Just because Spider II has an ad with a certain artist endorsing the amp (I'm assuming this is where you got that bull**** idea), does NOT mean that that artist plays the Spider II for kicks. Many artists can afford pratice amps that cost a grand.
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#19
Spider tone sucks. End of story. BTW, I think you should sell your spider and get an MG. After all, the overdrive is "Crushing".
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#21
^If you like a spider and hate an MG (or at least imply you hate it), then chances are you've never tried an MG and are just on a bandwagon. Spiders are hardly better.
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#22
Pretty sure the guy was being sarcastic about the MG comment. Calm down people.
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#23
1. Spiders are ****ty starter amps and no pro in his right mind would use that on stage. Now... as a small amp to practice with in the tour bus, yeah, I'm sure many use it in that respect. It's cheap, sounds ok at low practice levels, and has different tones and effects to **** with. Otherwise, it has no place in a pro's rig.

2. Flextones are decent amps with great features. I've found by doing a side-by-side comparisons of several of its low-gain and classic amp models to be actually damn close to the real thing. The high gain models aren't as true to their originals though. Now that doesn't mean that you can't get a good heavy tones out of them. I had a loaner 60W Flextone III combo for about 6 weeks while my first El Diablo was being repaired, and I got some decent tones with it using some of the Marshall and Mesa Recto models. I used it for 5 band practices and 1 gig and it worked out great, even against a JCM 800. I had several people comment about my 'killer' sound after the show, so that was encouraging.
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#24
Flextones and Vettas are quite nice. A guy at my church got a killer Classic Rock/Blues/High Gain out of a Vetta II I think. I hear the Vetta II is better than the III.

Anyways, Flextones are pretty nice, but if it were me I would get a good tube combo and a couple pedals, but this is a good deal. Just remember, that if one of the effects breaks down, you will have to replace the whole amp(as I am not certain if you can replace only sections of the effects) or buy a stomp box instead. Consult the almighty Harmony-Central to see if it is reliable and what-not.

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Yeah, but come on. Its not like I'm the only dude that uses a Spider. Tonnes of pros use it...

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#26
The Flextone is a good amp. In the studio, it's very flexible, and it's been very reliable live. I've set up a couple of rigs with the flextone 2 and 3 and they've proven themselves quite nicely. It's basically a POD with a power amplifier section in one box. But I'd have to say go with a tube combo if you're not prepared to dive into the amp and really re-learn how to tweak your tones...it will not be as simple as a tube amp. You need to watch how hot your input levels are with digital amps like this...as soon as you overdrive the front end, your tone will sound digital. As long as you keep the input levels just below clipping, you can drive the amp without any of the digital gremlins that usually plague digital amps like this. As far as an effect breaking, the entire amp is a digital modeler, so you're not going to lose an effect, you'll lose the entire amp. But as long as you don't act like a toe-head and try to variac this thing or wonder what will happen if you lay a metal rod across "all those little shiny dots on that green board", then you should be okay.
#28
I use a POD for practising at my girlfriends and its fine.
I've used one in a live environment and I was'nt to impressed.
Haven't tried the amps, do'nt sound to hot judging by the comments on here.
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#29
I have a line 6 flextone III and it's a pretty good amp. I can get a really nice clean sound out of it and a pretty decent blues/classic rock sound out of it, but I really can't do anything very heavy, but I'm sure that's very much to do with me using a telecaster. For 450$ I think it's a pretty good deal, I bought mine used for 300£ when I was on holiday in England.
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#30
Quote by MAXWELLMURDER
Because I know this guy thats selling a Flextone 3 for 450 and I wanna know if its a good amp or not. Im ganna go try and find one and try it but im asking here first

I have one and its alright I can get some good tones out of it but I wouldnt buy it again mine has alot of feedback probelms and I dont know if thats normally or if mine is just screwed up but I wouldnt recommend it anyway.
#31
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^If you like a spider and hate an MG (or at least imply you hate it), then chances are you've never tried an MG and are just on a bandwagon. Spiders are hardly better.


actually i have one of each and the spider II is much better than the MG

i like the spider II's and line 6 in general so yes i would say theyre a good amp for the price..

however if youve got the cash just go ahead and hit the mesa boogies or jcm's or something awesome like that
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#32
it's not the gear but the user who makes the diffrence

line6 gear does require use by smart people thats all i am going to say
#33
I've owned the Flextone III for roughly a year now. It's good for every genre of music once you've learned how to use it properly. I recommend it.
#34
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Spider tone sucks. End of story. BTW, I think you should sell your spider and get an MG. After all, the overdrive is "Crushing".


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it's not the gear but the user who makes the diffrence

line6 gear does require use by smart people thats all i am going to say


What the hell? There is no amp which would be impossible for anyone with an IQ above 80 to operate. And if your sound sucks, then you'll feel worse about playing, and other people will be turned off even before your amazing soulful interlude or shredding solo.
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#35
I own a spyder they suck
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#36
i own a spider II, and I really didn't have any problems until i began to develop an ear for miniscule details. At which point I realized the synthetic-ness of it's sound. I can't tolerate it's distortion much, the cleans on it are meh for me. I don't use the cleans a whole lot.
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#37
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i own a spider II, and I really didn't have any problems until i began to develop an ear for miniscule details. At which point I realized the synthetic-ness of it's sound. I can't tolerate it's distortion much, the cleans on it are meh for me. I don't use the cleans a whole lot.


Yea, I used to own a Spider II (it was my first amp to go along with my first guitar). I was like sweet! Look at all the lights, and all this noise. Then, I visited a few guitar stores with about 5 months expereice, and started dicking with other amps... and then I realized what true tone is.

You'll hear me say it 10,000 times... The Line 6 Spider II is toneless garbage.
#38
I hear the Vetta II is better than most low end tube amps, but I haven't played it myself.
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#39
I have a Spider II, and I think it's a good amp. I don't know what people are complaining about, I've played on many friends' amps, and I still think I can get a better tone out of mine. Those amps have included many low and mid range Marshalls (as well as a JCM2000 stack which I didn't think was very good), Crates, and a bunch of others. While the clean tone isn't very good, the distortion on it owns all other similarly priced amps. The higher range Line 6's ARE used by pros, such as Michael Romeo from Symphony X, both guitarists from Akercocke, and a bunch of others.

And it certainly beats dozens of crappy distortion pedals and such, in terms of the effects offered on it, as well as the very good built in noise gate.

For a few of my settings, I get a tone very similar to the second Necrophagist guitar album, a mix between Covenant-era and Domination-era Morbid Angel, and other similar high gain sounds.
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