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#1
ok, i had originally planned on getting the hellraiser due to its great body and of course the emgs(more preferably the 81/85 combo). but i just cant seem to get esp's out of my head. i like alot of the esp body's, such as the xplorer mock-up, but the hardware never seems to match the poopy paint. esp's without emgs are somewhat cheaper than the hellraiser, but they dont have the emg's in them, which is what im looking for. so heres the dilemma, should i just go ahead and get the hellraiser, or possibly get a cheaper model esp (w/ or w/o emgs), and then have somebody put my own purchased emgs in, if in fact buying them is cheaper than getting them already in with the guitar.....
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#2
Schecter>ESP
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#4
yeah get the schecter, low end ESP's are crap
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#6
i own both a Schecter (Hellraiser) and an ESP (EC-1000) and i honestly cant choose between them. they both have EMGs so thats a plus. the neck on the ESP is a little thinner and easier to play, but i believe the Schecter is a little lighter in the weight department.

both are VERY solid guitars and well worth the money.

i'll be that didnt help you out one bit, but i felt i should get that out there.
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#7
well you'd be better off gettin a hellraiser cuz if ur buyin ur own emgs theyre sumthin like 120$ or more
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#8
In the hella-low category: Schecter wins

In the mid category: It's preference

In the high-but-under-1k category: ESP wins

in the real high category: ESP wins no contest.
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#9
If you're gonna get an ESP/LTD, don't settle for less than a 400 model. They are t3h suckzorian. But that goes to show with most brands of guitar anyway...
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#10
the reason i ask this is this, woulnt both sound the same soundwise if they both have the same pickups in them? the only thing that would really change is the looks(i vote for schecter paint & hardware, but esp body), and the neck. now being i have had a chance to try either of them, and that esps arent even sold at my guitar center, im kinda **** outta luck
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#12
Yeah... But the M-1000 is basically the same guitar...
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#13
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ESP. higher end schecters r **** comapred to higher end ESPs


Yeah sure but high end ESPs cost $4000.

It might be more expensive to buy a guitar with passives and add EMGs to it because the wiring is different and the emgs themselves are pretty pricey, so it depends on what guitar you are talking about. I think most of the people saying schecter>esp or vice versa are just being biased based on what they have, so try them both out and weigh your prices and make your own decision.

I find this a bit interesting:

NECK-THRU-BODY CONSTRUCTION
? 25.5? SCALE
? MAHOGANY BODY W/QUILTED MAPLE TOP
? 3-PIECE MAPLE NECK
? EBONY FINGERBOARD
? OFFSET BLOCK INLAYS W/ESP AT 12TH FRET
? SEYMOUR DUNCAN JB (B) / 59 (N) PICKUPS
? VOLUME & TONE (W/PUSH-PUSH COIL TAP) CONTROLS W/3-WAY TOGGLE
? CHROME HARDWARE
? SPERZEL LOCKING TUNERS
? BONE NUT
? GOTOH TUNE-O-MATIC BRIDGE W/STRING-THRU-BODY
? WHITE BINDING ON BODY, NECK & HEADSTOCK
? 24 XJ FRETS

This is the stats for the ESP Standard Horizon, I think. Its listed at just over $2000. You might notice that it is almost exactly the same as the C1-Classic, but the Classic has Grover tuners and a Tonepro bridge, I believe. The Classic list price is $999 or something.. Of course there are other differences like the classic has no coil tap and different inlays and such.

Okay and now the ESP Custom Horizon

? NECK-THRU-BODY CONSTRUCTION
? 25.5? SCALE; MAHOGANY BODY W/QUILTED MAPLE TOP
? 3-PIECE MAPLE NECK
? EBONY FINGERBOARD
? PEARL OFFSET BLOCK INLAYS W/ESP AT 12TH FRET
? SEYMOUR DUNCAN JB/59 PICKUPS
? VOLUME & TONE CONTROLS W/3-WAY TOGGLE
? BLACK HARDWARE
? SPERZEL LOCKING TUNERS
? GRAPHITE NUT
? TONEPROS LOCKING BRIDGE W/STRING-THRU-BODY
? NATURAL BINDING ON BODY
? WHITE BINDING ON NECK & HEADSTOCK
? 24 XJ FRETS

This one is even closer to the C1 Classic, and costs $4000

So either there must be alot to say for ESP craftsmanship over shecter, or shecter might be a better economic desicion.
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#14
i'd say it's really up to you, to be honest esp's and schecters feel pretty similar to me.
#16
ok. if your talking about ESP than go with the the ESP

but if your talking about LTD (trust me its an entirely diff story) then defs go schecter.

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#17
Schecters are amazing. I played on the Classic and after 5 minutes the guy kicked me out of the sop cuz i pissed my pants. Not really. But schecters rape.
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#18
Wtf, i skimmed this thread, and apparently most of you know sweet **** all about ESP. ESP guitars decimate Schecter in all categories, there's no such thing as a low end ESP.

If you're talking about LTD however, make that clear as it is a subsidiary of ESP, as is Schecter.
#21
nope sorry cody but their both run under the same parent company but they run differently compared to each other but cody your statement about ESP is correct their is no such thing as low-end ESP well anyway if it is it will be the Standard Series so yeh if thats ****ing low end some of you need to be shot in the head. and to the guy that saying that a ESP Custom Horizon is close to a C1 Classic wtf have you been smoking mate cos seriously their both different and you are going to certainly get higher quality with the ESP hands down no contest at all
#22
First off, here's my take on the LTD vs Schecter Vs any other comparable guitar...

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6657507&postcount=13


And the other thing is people have to make the differentiation between ESP and LTD. They're 2 TOTALLY different line of guitars. It's not an ESP. And it's no more an ESP LTD than a Squier is a Fender Squier or an Epi a Gibson Epiphone. LTD is LTD. End of story. It's a different entiry. A different branch of the same entity. Do you say you drive a GM Corvette? Or a GM Chevy Corvette? No, Chevrolet is a completely different branch of GM.

And you can't compare LTD and ESP in terms of quality. The difference between mass-produced Korean guitars and premium Japanese instruments is pretty big. Specs may be similar, but the quality of the woods that go into the guitars make them totally different instruments, even though they may look identical and share the same specs.

And you can't compare ESP to Schecter. Those people arguing that ANYTHING Shecter make (outside of their custom shop) is comparable to an ESP are smoking rope. As for comparing Schecter to LTD, THE GUITARS ARE MADE IN THE SAME FACTORY. One isn't significantly better than the other. If you get a top-end LTD and a comparable top-end Schecter, chances are the only difference cosmetic - the shape of the headstock and the brand name, and finishes. The guitars will vary in terms of what hardware they use. Some will have trems, others fixed-bridge, etc. They may have different pickups and electronics configurations.

But when it comes to which is 'better', the guitars are THE SAME. And which is better suited for a particular player is 100% personal preference.
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#23
Quote by MetalUpTheAss
In the hella-low category: Schecter wins

In the mid category: It's preference

In the high-but-under-1k category: ESP wins

in the real high category: ESP wins no contest.


I totally agree. If you want a versatile-in-rock-and-metal-guitar and you can affort an ESP you don't think twice if you want EMGs.

Do yourself a favor and try the EMG 81/60 conf. You can get the most amazing clean and a kick-ass drive.
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#24
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First off, here's my take on the LTD vs Schecter Vs any other comparable guitar...

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6657507&postcount=13


And the other thing is people have to make the differentiation between ESP and LTD. They're 2 TOTALLY different line of guitars. It's not an ESP. And it's no more an ESP LTD than a Squier is a Fender Squier or an Epi a Gibson Epiphone. LTD is LTD. End of story. It's a different entiry. A different branch of the same entity. Do you say you drive a GM Corvette? Or a GM Chevy Corvette? No, Chevrolet is a completely different branch of GM.

And you can't compare LTD and ESP in terms of quality. The difference between mass-produced Korean guitars and premium Japanese instruments is pretty big. Specs may be similar, but the quality of the woods that go into the guitars make them totally different instruments, even though they may look identical and share the same specs.

And you can't compare ESP to Schecter. Those people arguing that ANYTHING Shecter make (outside of their custom shop) is comparable to an ESP are smoking rope. As for comparing Schecter to LTD, THE GUITARS ARE MADE IN THE SAME FACTORY. One isn't significantly better than the other. If you get a top-end LTD and a comparable top-end Schecter, chances are the only difference cosmetic - the shape of the headstock and the brand name, and finishes. The guitars will vary in terms of what hardware they use. Some will have trems, others fixed-bridge, etc. They may have different pickups and electronics configurations.

But when it comes to which is 'better', the guitars are THE SAME. And which is better suited for a particular player is 100% personal preference.




Brand loyalty is incredibly pointless with Korean guitars, as they're all stamped out of Cort and Samick. Design loyalty, on the other hand - but that's preference indeed.
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#25
Dont listen to those losers Schecter Is 10 times better Than ESP!
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#26
Well, yesterday I played a LTD EX400 and I was amazed about it , I'm used to the thin wizard neck on my RG1570 but the neck on the EX400 was just as easy , it didn't go all sticky and was fairly thin (strat profile I guess).

I gotta agree with this guy a few posts above me , the clean on the 60 is amazing, and it's fairly nice on the 81 ( no strat clean, but hey it's a humbucker).

Plus I hate the schecter headstocks, I want something that looks fast like my ibanez headstock lol.
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#27
ESP > Schecter in all way. Come on Japan > Korean models. Japan makes even better stuff than the famous Gibson Les paul....
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#28
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Brand loyalty is incredibly pointless with Korean guitars, as they're all stamped out of Cort and Samick. Design loyalty, on the other hand - but that's preference indeed.


You said it. In the case of Korean instruments, it's all a matter of personal preference. You pick a guitar that has the features you want and at a price you can afford. The brand name is irrelevant.
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#29
Quote by MetalUpTheAss
In the hella-low category: Schecter wins

In the mid category: It's preference

In the high-but-under-1k category: ESP wins

in the real high category: ESP wins no contest.

well high end schecters dont go above $1000, and ESP has plenty that do. basically, IMO, anything under 1000, schecter beats all, anything above 1000, PRS and ESP beat all...so with that said, the hellraiser is probably better than anything else you are gonna get for that price, since i dont think any ESP is under 1000, only LTD's, so basically my point is Schecter>LTD, ESP>Schecter
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Wtf, i skimmed this thread, and apparently most of you know sweet **** all about ESP. ESP guitars decimate Schecter in all categories, there's no such thing as a low end ESP.

If you're talking about LTD however, make that clear as it is a subsidiary of ESP, as is Schecter.

they aren't really a subsidiary, they are owned by the same people, but other than that there is really nothing else alike.
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#30
Well, i remember seeing a post by one of the administrators on the ESP forum, that took the form of an announcement in which they confirmed Schecter were owned by ESP, but Schecter operated completely independantly. I could well be imagining it but meh. Moot point.
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Quote by codybcool
Well, i remember seeing a post by one of the administrators on the ESP forum, that took the form of an announcement in which they confirmed Schecter were owned by ESP, but Schecter operated completely independantly. I could well be imagining it but meh. Moot point.

well yeah..they are owned by the same guys, but both operate on their own. thats what i meant, maybe i was vauge.
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#32
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Dont listen to those losers Schecter Is 10 times better Than ESP!


what are you an idiot? which ESP's have you tried? and if were losers you must make you a gay **** sucking whiny bitch
#33
indeed...i mean im a schecter fan boy and i can still admit that ESP owns schecter...not LTD of course
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#34
I prefer LTDs to Schecters, but like Crunch said there is no "better" guitar for the price range, it's all about personal preference.
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#35
I like schecters personally but yeah.. As far as high end goes Custom shop schecters which many people seem to forget are probably comparable to high end esps...
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#36
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I like schecters personally but yeah.. As far as high end goes Custom shop schecters which many people seem to forget are probably comparable to high end esps...


Has anyone ever seen a playable custom shop schecter?
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#37
To the threadstarter: I find ltd's and schecters to be extremely similar in almost every category except playability, schecters have really small string spacing and I'm used to strat string spacing, which ltd's are much closer to. So if you have big hands, a schecter will be great for rhythm, but you will have to adapt to play fast lead stuff on it. On the other hand, I think schecters look way better, but I guess that's not the most important thing when it comes to matters like this.

Also, I've never played a hardtail ltd, or a schecter with a floyd, so the string spacing could possibly have to do with that, in which case, a c-1 hellraiser would possibly have the same spacing as the ltd's that I have played.
#38
Quote by pifty
Has anyone ever seen a playable custom shop schecter?

i have...the shop i go to had a one that he had custom made specifically to play...it was very nice as far and playability and sound goes, but i didnt much like the looks. it was basically like the hollywood classic pictured on the website, just with different pickups.
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#39
Oh. So where's their "custom shop website" through which one places a custom order to which they refer throughout their FAQ? I was kind of curious about what they offer there, but they fail to link to the actual place anywhere...
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#40
yeah they kinda lie...i was talking to my local dealer and he said you pretty much have to call them if you want to order a custom one
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