#1
Hi, Im looking for the ultimate metal/shred amp that is clean in terms of tone (not gain).

I ran across the Engl stuff on the interweb, so I was wondering if the Powerball is the most metal amp that they manufacture because i saw some metal acts using the Savage amp. And also, is there a downfall to getting an Engl? (they sound pretty clean)

I find the Rivera too muddy in their amp tone samples from their site, and so forth, and also is there another amp that you would personally prefer, or have prefered in the past for Clean sounding Metal (clean meaning not muddy, clear, punctual but still have enormous gain)? Ive heard that the Rev1 Krank is Clean in that aspact.

So this thread is just asking for the~
Clearest
Punchy
Cutting tone to stand out
Lots of Gain without going over board
Reliable
~Amplifer that has Leads and Rythym!!

Any comments or suggestions wound be appreciated!
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#2
Alright, well Ive never used an ENGL myself, but I hear theyre pretty great (especially the Powerball). I have played the Krank before, and it was alright I suppose, but deffinatly nothing too special there.

How much are you willing to spend?
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#3
I don't know enough about metal amps to be of much help, but i've heard pretty bad things about Krank.
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#4
ive heard krank sounds near solid state
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Mesa Dual Rec(2 channel)
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#5
^same, their rep in harmony-central is SO low, why is it being burned all the time anyways?

I am willing to spend anything on my next amp, its not like im gonna buy it tomorrow, so I have time and money that I will be earning in the near future so any amp for suggestions would be great!
#6
Alright, Id suggest looking into the Mesa Boogie Road King or Stiletto Ace (make sure its the Ace, as the other versions are more muddy) or maybe a Mark IV. Also, be sure to play around with those ENGLs, as they have quite the reputation around here.
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#8
The music stores around me dont stock the high end or high gain Peaveys. Ive only played the Classic 50, and thats more of a low/medium gain amp

Edit:However, I hear the 5150/6150 are good dark sounding amps (not the best cleans though) and the XXX is good for a brighter amp (bad cleans and hissy though). Maybe give those a try too? Theyre deffinately cheaper than the Mesas and ENGLs
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#9
Engl Powerballs and Framus Cobras/Dragons have the best cleans on any high gain amp I've heard. Peavey's don't have near as good clean channels (esp. the 5150/6505), nor do Mesa's.
#10
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Engl Powerballs and Framus Cobras/Dragons have the best cleans on any high gain amp I've heard. Peavey's don't have near as good clean channels (esp. the 5150/6505), nor do Mesa's.

The Road Kings/Aces/Marks have fine cleans
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#11
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The Road Kings/Aces/Marks have fine cleans

Yeah, but when most people say Mesa around here, they mean tEh UBeR PQWn TrIPlE RecTO.
#12
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Yeah, but when most people say Mesa around here, they mean tEh UBeR PQWn TrIPlE RecTO.

This is true. The only Rectos with good cleans imo are the Road King and Tremoverb. The rest are pretty meh
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#13
I thought he was looking for well-defined high gain sounds. I don't think he means actual cleans. I don't have any gear experience since I'm only 13 and have played for only like 15 months, but the best amp I've tried is the 6505 earlier today. However, the local Sam Ash doesn't have Mesas, Engl's, etc.
#14
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I thought he was looking for well-defined high gain sounds.

I know, hence why I suggested he check out the XXX and 6150, but to be wary of their sub par cleans
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#15
The only problem I have with Engl's is that the one I tried sounded pretty compressed (not a huge suprise), so I thought it may have a hard time cutting through a mix, might have just been me tho. It should be right up your alley, bright and tight.

Maybe you should take a look at VHT if you haven't already.
#16
Framus Cobra/Dragon

Someone mentioned them earlier, props to you. Their gain is more defined, and the actual cleans are about as good as it gets for a high gain amp.
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#17
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Framus Cobra/Dragon

Someone mentioned them earlier, props to you. Their gain is more defined, and the actual cleans are about as good as it gets for a high gain amp.

Yay, props to me.
I love the distortion on the Cobras. Really throaty and defined, and A LOT of low end if needed.
#18
^ Beyond that the clean is very nice for a 3 channel high gain amp. It's not going to replicate something like a Fender Bassman or Twin... but thats to be expected. It's not a versatile clean amp but it does have a couple nice clean sounds.
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#20
^ Somewhat... I would have used the word clarity O.o
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#21
Ive always wanted to try a Framus.
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#23
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The Road Kings/Aces/Marks have fine cleans



The 50w ace/single arent that great of a clean, better than rectos, but not great.

The RK.. Okay I guess you have me there. Marks are good, but a bit dry imo.

Of every amp I can think of that accels at rock/metal/shred AND cleans, the powerball comes to mind. I must be baised, because I own one, but if there was anything else out there better I'd probably have that instead.

Jag Panzer = metal, shred, and asskickery. Chris Broderick plays ENGL Powerballs. That is all I have to say.

If you think an ENGL Powerball is way compressed you might want to try and EQ it or play with a non-EMG, because I don't have a gripe about it that way. If you have the bass boost on at low volumes it sounds compressed, but when you turn the amp up it balances out.

If you're talking about compressed, the cobra is like that imo. Not a bad thing, like you said, but it just strikes me as sounding that way. I want to try one, but I don't know any dealers. Splawn and framus are just about the only amps of the major brands that I havent played on. bah.
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#24
^ +1. the savage is a bit less compressed, and less high gain (though it still has plenty, especially if you can crank it up). but yeah, the PB is more "metal" (assuming you mean modern metal)

the vht's have pretty nice cleans too.
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#25
you do realise he means clean in terms of tone, not clean channel. so we should really be looking for clear and defined amps, not amps with nice cleans...
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#26
^ yeah. and engl are clean and defined. haven't tried framus though. to be honest, though, most of the boutique high gain heads are pretty clear-sounding...
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#27
again, clear is another mans thin, defined another mans thin, bright another man shrill

hows the lead sounds on the ENGL? thats about the only good thing about my DSL, the chugg my not be there, but the lead tone always sings.
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#28
^ depends on the engl. it's great on my savage se, but then I have the smooth button that most of the other engls don't have... and I haven't tried the other ones for so long, that I can't really remember...
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#29
Perhaps a VHT Ultra-Lead or a Soldano SLO100. Both are very smooth sounding high-gain amps.
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