#1
You know that weird rythm that's used in lots of trash metal, example in the main riff of Metallica's Battery, hell a lot Slayer songs and so on...

the one that looks like this:
0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0


I just can't get the rythm down, can anyone help me how should I play it?
the thing is that I can't make the break in middle
example in Fade To Black it goes like:

9-9-9---7-7-7---5-5-5---4-4-4


and I play it like

9-9-9-7-7-7-5-5-5-4-4-4


help needed cuz I'm big trash metal fan
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#2
i think you might not be tremelo picking, if so, tremelo pick each sequence of three notes, pause briefely, then repeat aas it says.
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#3
so alternative picking is the answer?
i'll try when i get my guitar into my hands
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#4
yeah yeah, like, if you listen to raining blood by slayer, right after the intro they play a series of alt/tremelo notes.....000 000 000. like you posted. it just has to be damn fast
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Yes, alternate picking is a must for almost all playing!
Also, Slow it down to about half if you can, then build up!
#7
yeah, you need to learn rhythm in music notation. thats why ascii tabs suck.
what youre listening to is two sixteenth notes followed by an eighth note.
this is usually referred to as galloping
#8
Everything these people have said is bollocks, while it is galloping, the picking method is not alternate picking, it is not tremolo picking either. Rather it is galloping but by picking this way:

Down, up, down - Down, up, down - Down, up, down, etc.

That way you get that sound that doesn't come from normal alternate galloping.
And btw, while you may love trash metal, you've been referring to tHrash metal.
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#9
isnt that called the "galloping" rhythm? i might have it confused. metallica/slayer/iron maiden uses it a lot
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yeah it is. didnt read all the posts. DURRR!
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#11
Here is a good way to look at galloping it?s the a riff in deposable heroes

 > >  >   >   > >- accent note 
-0-00-0-0-0-0-0000
 ^ ^  ^   ^   ^ ^ -down strokes


The 0-?s are eighth notes and the 00 are sixteenth notes when it goes from a eighth to sixteenth or back you always use a down stroke and you accent the down stroke
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try some early kill em' all metallica licks, sure to find lots of galloping licks in that album. motorbreath, whiplash .. etc =\..

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Slow it down a lot. Metronomes are your friends. Then you can concentrate on the rhythm instead of blindly flying through triplet 8th notes at 180bpm.
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That's not what he's asking about.
Yeah I know I was using it as a example of galloping where as in fade to back it would

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But that has no relevance as he's asking about an entirely different galloping method, not strict alternate picking and not Fade To Black.
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oops yeah your right it is down up down down i forgot how that rythm went
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further to codybcool's comment, what you want to do is a "lift" on the rest. You will use continuous alternate picking (down-up-down-up) but the last upstroke you simply miss the string. This will create a more natural timing (1-2-3-4) for your pick hand and set yourself up to begin the next sequence on the downstroke. so you have down-up-down-lift-down-up-down-lift
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#19
^ yeah I've realized that before, but at that moment I wasn't patient enought to practice it (yeah, a bad way to go in guitar playing)


so I'll just take out a metronome and start to learn Motorbreath with slower tempo at first and with down-up-down-lift picking

thank you all for the helpful comments!! appreciate it
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#20
Is it wierd that I find it easier to play down-up-down, up-down-up?
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#21
Not really, because all you're doing there is using strict alternate picking, but with tiny little pauses.
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#22
they're called triplets...or galloping as some would call it...its just a flick of the wrist really
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#23
It's not two 16th notes and an 8th note, it's triplets. Triplets are three notes within two beats. It might sound "uot of rythm" at first, but it's not.
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#24
No, Muppet, no.

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Listen to what he's saying. In Thrash, and with his tab, it's clearly gallops.

There's the "Metallica / Slayer" Gallop, which is:
S S E r S S E r S S E r S S E r etc.

'S' being Sixteenth notes, 'E' being Eighth notes, and 'r' being rests.

Whereas the generally less-heavy-feeling "Iron Maiden" Gallop rhythm is:
E r S S E r S S E r S S E r S S... etc.

There you go.

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they're called triplets...or galloping as some would call it...its just a flick of the wrist really

It's triplets. NOT galloping

Triplets = 3 notes played in the space of 2, for instance the fade to black part
Galloping = and 8th note, followed by 2 16th notes as per most iced earth songs
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Everything these people have said is bollocks, while it is galloping, the picking method is not alternate picking, it is not tremolo picking either. Rather it is galloping but by picking this way:

Down, up, down - Down, up, down - Down, up, down, etc.

That way you get that sound that doesn't come from normal alternate galloping.
And btw, while you may love trash metal, you've been referring to tHrash metal.


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There's the "Metallica / Slayer" Gallop, which is:
S S E r S S E r S S E r S S E r etc.

'S' being Sixteenth notes, 'E' being Eighth notes, and 'r' being rests.

The problem there is that your beats don't add up correctly. Two Sixteenths make an Eighth, so you're saying two eighths and a rest make a beat.

I think you either play three sixteenth notes and then rest for a sixteenth, or you play two sixteenth notes and an eighth immediately followed by the sixteenths again.

Metallica usually plays 1-rest-3-4 1-rest-3-4 where they're all sixteenth notes (including the rest) and the "1" gets an accent. I usually pick it DOWN-rest/lift-down-up DOWN-rest/lift-down-up
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The problem there is that your beats don't add up correctly. Two Sixteenths make an Eighth, so you're saying two eighths and a rest make a beat.

I think you either play three sixteenth notes and then rest for a sixteenth, or you play two sixteenth notes and an eighth immediately followed by the sixteenths again.

Metallica usually plays 1-rest-3-4 1-rest-3-4 where they're all sixteenth notes (including the rest) and the "1" gets an accent. I usually pick it DOWN-rest/lift-down-up DOWN-rest/lift-down-up


Yeah, that was my mistake, sorry.

I mean either S S S R etc. OR S S E S S E etc.
But you get my drift.

VERY different from triplets.
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#29
It might be obvious to some, but I haven't read any mention of palm muting, which I think is a crucial component to the thrash metal "gallop" sound. I would also like to take a side in the rhythm argument and say that it is most definitely a sixteenth(x2) + an eighth rhythm - or as some have written, three sixteenth notes with a rest. The palm muting is "traditionally" lighter on the sixteenth notes and more muted on the eighth, which in essence would give a similar feel to three sixteenths and a sixteenth rest. What it definitely is not, is a triplet.
#30
So the difference in gallops and tripelets is this? (Que sound effects)
Gallops sound like this -dunn duh duh
tripelets sound like this- duh duh duh
Is that right?
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#32
I'm having similar trouble with what I'm assuming is basically the same principle.

For those of you who are familiar, I'm learning the opening riff to She-wolf by Megadeth. Which goes like this:

e|--------------------------------------------------|
B|--------------------------------------------------|
G|--------------------------------------------------|
D|--------------------------------------------------|
A|--------------------------------------------------|
E|-0-000-0-000-0-000-0-000-000-000-|

Now, I can do the first bit, but the last bit always gets me. My picking usually degenerates into tremolo.
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#33
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So the difference in gallops and tripelets is this? (Que sound effects)
Gallops sound like this -dunn duh duh
tripelets sound like this- duh duh duh
Is that right?


Yep, in general. Take for instance triplets vs (S S S r) - to borrow another poster's notation - would sound "duh duh duh" and "duh duh duh <rest>" respectively. *Palm muting and strum pattern aside.
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#34
"""Everything these people have said is bollocks, while it is galloping, the picking method is not alternate picking, it is not tremolo picking either. Rather it is galloping but by picking this way:

Down, up, down - Down, up, down - Down, up, down, etc.

That way you get that sound that doesn't come from normal alternate galloping.
And btw, while you may love trash metal, you've been referring to tHrash metal."""


It doesn't matter, I find it easier to gallop with all downstrokes
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Its two 16th notes attached to an 8th notes.

its called galloping i think



and you are correct!!!


just think da da dun da da dun da da dun da da dun da da dun, that would be the rhythm of the gallop your talking about thats in thrash, its real simple but its hard doing it correctly.

The correct way to play it is EXACTLY how turtlewax guy said, down up down down up down down up down etc,
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"""Everything these people have said is bollocks, while it is galloping, the picking method is not alternate picking, it is not tremolo picking either. Rather it is galloping but by picking this way:

Down, up, down - Down, up, down - Down, up, down, etc.

That way you get that sound that doesn't come from normal alternate galloping.
And btw, while you may love trash metal, you've been referring to tHrash metal."""


It doesn't matter, I find it easier to gallop with all downstrokes



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bollocks is the most british word
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