#1
Firstly, I don't hate AVA. I am not a huge fan or anything, but I don't mind listening to their music. What I am about to say is probably really obvious, but I only just realized.

Tom Delonge has been saying that their songs are really meaningful and inspiring. I think that the lyrics are meant to sound meaningful and inspiring, and kinda do because the lyrics are kinda random, don't make a lot of sense, and at some places don't rhyme, tricking people into thinking they are deep and meaningful.

Lets look at some lines from 'The Adventure':


Anything that is dead shall be re-grown
And your vicious pain, your warning sign
You will be fine


It sounds meaningful, even though it doesn't really make sense.


i felt this thing
i can't replace
when everyone was working for this goal
where all the children left without a trace
only to come back as pure as gold
to recite this all


Makes no sense at all.


There are plenty of other lines like this too.


So yeah, thats just a thought from me.
#3
Quote by frd_marshll
there are tons of lyrics that don't make sense but have lots of meaning

yea i noticed that two

and just for the record tom delonge cant sing to well

go to a concert

you'll see
#4
Yeah, on the album his singing sounds good, but I have seen a Youtube vid of them playing Valkyrie Missile and his singing is absolutely terrible!

Quote by frd_marshll
there are tons of lyrics that don't make sense but have lots of meaning


Which lyrics might you be refering to?
#5
Fix me to a chain around your neck and wear me like a nickel.
Even new wine served in old skins cheapens the taste.
I shot the pilot, now I'm begging you to fly this for me.
I'm here for you to use, broken and bruised.
Do you understand?

Brand New - No Seatbelt Song

for example if you want i'll bring more
#8
Quote by frd_marshll
Fix me to a chain around your neck and wear me like a nickel.
Even new wine served in old skins cheapens the taste.
I shot the pilot, now I'm begging you to fly this for me.
I'm here for you to use, broken and bruised.
Do you understand?

Brand New - No Seatbelt Song

for example if you want i'll bring more


Fix me to a chain around your neck and wear me like a nickel.
I want you to wear me like a necklace. In other words, he wants to be by her heart always like how a necklace hangs.
Even new wine served in old skins cheapens the taste.
Even if you've changed (new wine), there's still the memory (old skin) that cheapens the taste (makes me not trust you.)
I shot the pilot, now I'm begging you to fly this for me.
I've lost control and I'm begging you to get my life back on track
I'm here for you to use, broken and bruised.
I'm here for you, though hurt and reluctant to trust you again.

Just my take on it. Sure, it sounds jumbled when you take it out of context, but if I felt like interpreting the whole song (which I don't) you'd see it makes sense.
#9
Those lyrics aren't that random... In fact, I think they're quite good. I like lyrics that aren't obvious.

Of course, the thing with lyrics is that you can read almost anything into them, even when they are completely random... But whatever
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#11
the no seatbelt song makes sense to me...

i think tom delonge is a crap lyricist. his lyrics shouldn't really be looked deeply into...
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#13
Quote by HungLikeAsian
"I think I like today I think it's good"

so deep.


The perfect example of the full capabilities of Tom Delonge...

Another great one is "Your best friend is not your girlfriend"...thank you, so VERY much for enlightening us on this topic Tom, you've really changed my life...
#15
"I think I like today, I think it's good"
and Your best friend is not your girlfreind are fine lyrics to me

I'd like to see you write a song and not have me giggle at the sight of a stupid looking line.
I'm not a huge fan of ava, but..seriously, enough with the tom bashing.
have you sold millions of records?
no.
so shutup.
#16
Quote by TheDistrict
"I think I like today, I think it's good"
and Your best friend is not your girlfreind are fine lyrics to me

I'd like to see you write a song and not have me giggle at the sight of a stupid looking line.
I'm not a huge fan of ava, but..seriously, enough with the tom bashing.
have you sold millions of records?
no.
so shutup.


Have I had a musical career spanning over 10 years...no...therefore I don't think it's quite possible, or fair to compare my relative success to Tom's...and, if you really really want me to, I'll PM you a song of mine...just to see if you do find a 'stupid looking line' to 'giggle at'...
Last edited by fake_sk8r182 at Sep 13, 2006,
#17
Quote by TheDistrict
"I think I like today, I think it's good"
and Your best friend is not your girlfreind are fine lyrics to me

I'd like to see you write a song and not have me giggle at the sight of a stupid looking line.
I'm not a huge fan of ava, but..seriously, enough with the tom bashing.
have you sold millions of records?
no.
so shutup.

Don't tell other people to shut up, especially when you're defending the lyric "I think I like today, I think it's good" or whatev.

Seriously. Tom's lyrics suck ass.
there is no fear in this heart.



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#18
Who the hell are you?
The guy had a less then jake avatar. Have you heard some ltj lyrics? Obviously not.
Nobody here can judge mr delonge, He's a better songwriter then you, or any of us on here. Like I said before, he's sold millions of records, because he sucks ass?

yeah, ok.

Oh, and send me one of your little song's sir.
You nor anybody here will be as famous as him.
..in 30 years.
#19
Quote by TheDistrict

Nobody here can judge mr delonge, He's a better songwriter then you, or any of us on here.

not really.

And anyways, lyrics dont have to always make sense to everyone, they can just make sense to the person who wrote them...

But i still think tom delonge sucks ass at trying to be "meaningful"
Beauty Supreme

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Last edited by Guitarist132 at Sep 13, 2006,
#20
Quote by TheDistrict
Who the hell are you?
The guy had a less then jake avatar. Have you heard some ltj lyrics? Obviously not.
Nobody here can judge mr delonge, He's a better songwriter then you, or any of us on here. Like I said before, he's sold millions of records, because he sucks ass?

yeah, ok.

Oh, and send me one of your little song's sir.

So?

Records sold doesn't equate to the quality of the lyrics.

We're talking about how good his lyrics are, not how many $$$ he's earned.

I can say something sucks if I want. Thanks.
there is no fear in this heart.



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How am I being or trying to be fabulous/glamorous?



#21
Quote by the_astronaut
So?

Records sold doesn't equate to the quality of the lyrics.

We're talking about how good his lyrics are, not how many $$$ he's earned.

I can say something sucks if I want. Thanks.


oh, you are very welcome

Hes made millions of dollars sucking ass?

Who the hell am I? well I'm a fellow UG'er
I made a point of saying something to another member, and you jump in?
HA, LETS BASH SOMEBODY WHO HAS A DIFFERENT POINT THEN EVERYBODY ELSE.
that less then jake kid can fight his own battles, bud.
#22
You make fun of his ltj avatar when you have an anti-flag avatar ? =\
Beauty Supreme

Yeah you were right about me
#23
Oh, I'm sorry, I appear to have mistaken this for an open forum, where I'm allowed to post my view on your opinion.

My bad.
there is no fear in this heart.



Quote by ETHANEVIL
How am I being or trying to be fabulous/glamorous?



#24
Who started bashing who here?
I made a comment with MY opinion, and who comes to save the day?
Your view on mine was more of a making fun of, then an different opinion. Which is just an asshole thing to do, chill. You like brand new? I Think they are a whiney emo band.
I say he doesnt suck ass, you go: ZOMG LOL HE SUCKZ ASS YO"

Guitarist, Mind your own business, Anti-flag had a great new album
and Ltj has disapointed me. So get over it, I have my own opinion says mr astronaut.
Last edited by TheDistrict at Sep 13, 2006,
#25
Quote by TheDistrict
So get over it, I have my own opinion says mr astronaut.



me too
Beauty Supreme

Yeah you were right about me
#26
Guitarist, enough.
this was a friendly comment untill astronaut came and bashed me.
Then he got all his emo listening groupies to come and join in!
#27
Actually you made fun of sk8er when you told him he couldnt write a song without you laughing at the lyrics.


emo listening groupies?

You think your punk because you listen to anti-flag? biggest sell-outs ever?
Beauty Supreme

Yeah you were right about me
#28
Well, we are in the emo forum.
and actually, I'm not a punk at all, I listen to a wide spectrum of music. Would you like a list?
and your making fun of anti flag when you have the ataris?

...the ataris.

come on bud.
Don't bother trying to "diss me up" again making fun of a band I listen to because I enjoy the music. Cause ill come right back making fun of the ataris

In fact, dont bother posting at all, Cause I dont have time for your crap.
Ill go back to my bass forum, and you can stay here in your emo corner.
I don't even know why I'm here.
Last edited by TheDistrict at Sep 13, 2006,
#29
Lol, the ataris were the band that really got me into music

they arent anything really special, but at least Kris can write decent lyrics and isnt a hypocrite.

anywaysss this is going nowhere so im done.

Quote by TheDistrict

In fact, dont bother posting at all, Cause I dont have time for your crap.
Ill go back to my bass forum, and you can stay here in your emo corner.
I don't even know why I'm here.


classic
Beauty Supreme

Yeah you were right about me
Last edited by Guitarist132 at Sep 13, 2006,
#30
Haha you guys realizr lyrics arent important to the actual music dont you? Vocals are, but the words really arent. Ill take good music with bad lyrics over bad music with good lyrics
#31
Quote by Guitarist132
Actually you made fun of sk8er when you told him he couldnt write a song without you laughing at the lyrics.


emo listening groupies?

You think your punk because you listen to anti-flag? biggest sell-outs ever?
Anti Flag may blow, but they arent sellouts. They went on a major label, sure, but they still demanded and recieved full authority over their music.
#33
Quote by Spaceman_Spiff
Anti Flag may blow, but they arent sellouts. They went on a major label, sure, but they still demanded and recieved full authority over their music.

Ok, they're all about anarchy and such yet they sign with a major label and basically prove to us that capitalism is a fine system and that it works.

[/davey]
Beauty Supreme

Yeah you were right about me
#34
Major label = more money for production = more albums produced/more publicity = message reaches further.

I dont know there exact reasoning, but I dont blame them for taking the opportunity.


Again, I dont like AF but I hate to see them get bashed for something stupid like this
#35
Quote by TheDistrict

You nor anybody here will be as famous as him.
..in 30 years.


I never claimed that I would...I said it would be ridiculous to try and compare someone who's had a career of over ten years (nearing 15) to someone who's only been playing his instrument for three...

The ORIGINAL point that I was trying to make wasn't that Tom is an awful songwriter (well...) but that after all the hype and the build-up FROM TOM'S OWN MOUTH about how brilliant and amazing and life-changing his lyrics for his new band were going to be, it was a bit of a let down to find really ameteur-ish lines such as "I think I like today, I think it's good"



Edit:

Quote by TheDistrict

The guy had a less then jake avatar. Have you heard some ltj lyrics? Obviously not.


When was the last time you heard Less Than Jake claiming that their lyrics are deep and meaningful
Last edited by fake_sk8r182 at Sep 14, 2006,
#36
The main problem I have with AVA isn't the lyrics, it's the fact that every song sounds like Blink 182 covering U2.
#37
Quote by kryptonite22
The main problem I have with AVA isn't the lyrics, it's the fact that every song sounds like Blink 182 covering U2.


That is actually a very good point.