#1
Hello

I own a RG 1570 Prestige and have been having intonation problems for about a year now. when my strings are about 2 weeks old my high starts becoming slightly off. after about a month its highly noticable at anything beyond 3rd fret. i went to my guitar store and told them about my problem. they put new strings on and set it up properly, telling me my problem should be fixed.

i was all happy, but after 2 weeks, same problem. now i know old strings **** with the intonation of the guitar but i dont have this problem on any other strings. just the high E. does anyone know what can be done? does anyone know where the root of the problem may ly?
#2
ive got that same problem, although ive only had it for a week. Im taking it into the shop to get new strings and re-intonation. hopefully that'l fix it
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#4
thanks, i know how to set up the intonation of my guitar. guitarshops will tell you its pointless with older guitar strings, and when ive tried changing it actually didnt change at all. and by the way, how the hell do you change the intonation on a floyd rose without removing pressure from the string youre working with?
#6
maybe, but thats really not the point. i couldnt be bothered to re-intonate my guitar every week. this is a high end guitar, problems like this should not occur!
#7
seriously man i dont no im having similar problems im talking about it on 2 other threads
#8
Feast on this...

Tuning Floyd Roses' intonation is really a bitch if you dont have any equipment/experience. Its time consuming and really needs a lot of patient...A LOT. You can get a guitar tech guy to get it done but make sure he knows what he's doing. But once you know how to do it, its really really simple.

This is the thing you should adjust on ur bridge. The little tiny screw below the strings.


This is a special intonation tool for Ibanez Edge tremolo system, sold at stewmac.com


These are the steps on how to properly adjust your intonation on floyd rose system.

Tuning Floyd Rose:
1) Loosen the locking nut
2) Set your fine tuners to middle position
3) Tune up your guitar to standard or whichever tunings u wish. "Cross-tuning" between strings if you want easier. Tune the low E string> A string> low E string again> D string> low E string>A string... and so forth. Keep repeating for all strings. To make it more easier, tune the low E generally a bit sharper or about half step sharper, so that you might not have to repeat crossing the strings again and again.
4) If the floating bridge comes out, loosen the tunings and then tighten the springs in the tremolo cavity at the back, if the bridge sinks, then vice-versa, until the bridge is parallel to the body.
5) Be patient
6) If you're happy with your tunings and your bridge is well centered, lock in the nut
7) Tune again using the fine tuners

Also some tips - You might want to have at least 3 springs and after following the tuning method above, tighten the 2 claw's screw for about 1/8th or 1/4th more. This is to prevent your floating bridge from getting stuck to the knife edges on the posts (action studs) after you bend notes. You can ignore this if your bridge/trem is reliable (e.g. Edge Pro, Edge, ZR, Lo-Pro Edge, Original Floyd Rose, Licenced Floyd Rose by Kahler/Schaller/Gotoh). But still you may face this problem even if your bridge is very good.

Stretch the strings first if they're new

More info on tuning floyd roses - http://www.floydrose.com/originaltremolo.html
Info on changing strings - http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/steal_this_video_re-stringing_guitar.html
Picture guide on how to perform the #4 step mentioned above - http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/floydrosetremolo.htm
http://www.jemsite.com/tech/1setup.htm#step1

Checking the intonation
1) Check the intonation on each strings and you might want to get a pencil for this. Jot down every sharps or flats on every strings
2) Pick a harmonic at the 12th fret of E and make sure its tuned to your tuning like open E = 12th fret harmonics. Or any downtunings make sure its the same
3) Now fret the 12th fret with normal finger pressure and check wheter its the same with the 12th fret harmonic/open E
4) If the notes of the open note vs. the natural harmonic are different you need to adjust the saddle position
5) Mark the strings that you wish to intonate

Setting the intonation
1) If you dont have the special tool, you need to loosen the string 1 by one and adjust its intonation step by step.
2) Here's the tricky part, your string needs to be properly loosed and you might want to hold it using ur fingers because if the tension is still there, the strings will pull the intonation saddle after you loosen it.
3) Loosen the saddle screw, see your notes that you just jotted, if the fretted note is SHARP, move the saddle AWAY from the neck and vice-versa.
4) You might have to move the saddle quite a bit to realize changes. You can get it really far back, past the bolt's head or washer in fact.
5) There are two bolt positions for adjustments so if there is not enough adjustment in the saddle move saddle further and use the next hole for the intonation lock down screw as you can see on pic below:

Ibanez ILT example Bridge
*there is another hole in front that you can put the saddle screw if the desired intonation isnt proper.
6) Tighten the intonation lock screw firmly taking care not to strip the screw
7) Retune the string and retest fret-12 fretted to the fret-12 natural harmonic
8) This is probably the most sickening step of all. This is a really really by trial and error, so if your desired pitch isnt working, you have to do it again and again and repeat the steps above until its properly intoned.

Really important notes, read this through
- Loosen the strings to make way for the allen/hex wrench to be properly inserted in the saddle screw. AVOID contact with the hex wrench and the strings. I did this once and the string just break....
- The notes at the 12th fret open note vs 12 fret natural harmonic should be in tune with themselves
- Do not touch this because thats the string lock.

If you loosen it the strings will pop out. Same as the Ibanez ILT example Bridge, do not touch the (E) part.

- BE PATIENT, you dont want to get any mental breakdowns
- When loosening the strings, you MUST intonate it 1 by one, and NOT ALL at once. For example, you make sure all ur strings are in tune, then check the ones with messed up intonation and loosen that string ONLY. You loosen it like said, untill you have a clearance for the hex wrench.
- You dont need any wooden blocks or any sorts of blocking mechanism.

Hope this helps, its quite bitching and whatnot so you can save your time (but not ur money) by just sending it to professional tech to be properly setup.

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#9
thanks for the instructions, but once again, i know how to tune and intonate a floyd, ive done it myself and ive had a professional set it up as well. the problem seems to lie a little deeper and im wondering if anyone has an idea what could be causing the instability of the intonation.
#10
- Check your nut and see if the strings are properly inserted into each section
- See whether your frets are leveled (on an RG1570 its rarely the case)
- Make sure your saddle screws are tight and in place, securing the saddles without moving them when applied pressure
- Make sure that you have enough battery/power source to your tuner as it'll not give you 100% pitch defenition if its low on power source
- Your neck relief has to be in proper shape depending on your string gauge
- Check for loose neck at the bolt area (again, rare case for the RG1570)
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#11
- Check your nut and see if the strings are properly inserted into each section check!
- See whether your frets are leveled (on an RG1570 its rarely the case) not sure how to check that accuratly
- Make sure your saddle screws are tight and in place, securing the saddles without moving them when applied pressure check!
- Make sure that you have enough battery/power source to your tuner as it'll not give you 100% pitch defenition if its low on power source check! (i can clearly hear its not correctly inotated as well)
- Your neck relief has to be in proper shape depending on your string gauge again, not sure..
- Check for loose neck at the bolt area (again, rare case for the RG1570) check!
Last edited by 2slick2 at Sep 14, 2006,
#12
- To check the neck relief, fret the low E 1st fret and the 19th/20th fret (where the neck meets the body) and see the 8th fretwire. There should be a clearance of at least 0.3mm-0.5mm between the string and the fretwire. If the string are just lying dead on the fretboard then you dont have any neck relief, or if its too high then 0.5mm, then you have too much neck relief.
- What gauge of string and what tuning are you using?
- Which string is not properly intonated? All or are there any particular ones?

EDIT: Also another thing, you do know that there are 2 holes for the saddle locking screw to go into?
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Last edited by madpickin03 at Sep 14, 2006,
#13
Quote by madpickin03
- To check the neck relief, fret the low E 1st fret and the 19th/20th fret (where the neck meets the body) and see the 8th fretwire. There should be a clearance of at least 0.3mm-0.5mm between the string and the fretwire. If the string are just lying dead on the fretboard then you dont have any neck relief, or if its too high then 0.5mm, then you have too much neck relief.
- What gauge of string and what tuning are you using?
- Which string is not properly intonated? All or are there any particular ones?

EDIT: Also another thing, you do know that there are 2 holes for the saddle locking screw to go into?


i have an absoloutly tiny amount of space between den string and fretwire at the 8th fret, but its not lying dead on it.

im using 009s but im going to switch to a higher gauge due to only playing drop d lately.

its always the high E. the others are fine. i just stringed my guitar and the intonation is once again perfect. im really going to test how long it stays that way this time. what time should be appropriate for the strings stay intonated if i play around 1-2 hours a day, every day with freshly washed hands? i even use a special fluid to clean the strings after playing, all just to keep the high E intonated!
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Quote by 2slick2
i have an absoloutly tiny amount of space between den string and fretwire at the 8th fret, but its not lying dead on it.

im using 009s but im going to switch to a higher gauge due to only playing drop d lately.

its always the high E. the others are fine. i just stringed my guitar and the intonation is once again perfect. im really going to test how long it stays that way this time. what time should be appropriate for the strings stay intonated if i play around 1-2 hours a day, every day with freshly washed hands? i even use a special fluid to clean the strings after playing, all just to keep the high E intonated!

lol, washing your hands is good but isnt necessary. And do you know that there're 2 holes for the saddle screw to go into? if you dont have luck on the 1st one then unscrew it and move it to the 2nd one.
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#15
I have the same guitar only difference is it's left handed. I've had it since july 2005 and I had alot of problems for the first couple months with the intonation but finally got it working properly. There is only one problem I have now and thats when I pull the whammy bar up high or to hard snap goes one of the damn strings!
#16
Quote by 2slick2
thanks, i know how to set up the intonation of my guitar. guitarshops will tell you its pointless with older guitar strings, and when ive tried changing it actually didnt change at all. and by the way, how the hell do you change the intonation on a floyd rose without removing pressure from the string youre working with?


To answer that, to minimize pressure change and f*^)ing up your tuning, dump the trem aaaaaaall the way forward, make the adjustment, *SLOWLY* raise the whammy bar, and then retune and check the intonation.
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I have the same guitar only difference is it's left handed. I've had it since july 2005 and I had alot of problems for the first couple months with the intonation but finally got it working properly. There is only one problem I have now and thats when I pull the whammy bar up high or to hard snap goes one of the damn strings!


probably a sharpened or worn bridge saddle. That'll do it every damn time.
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#18
Whot's intonation?
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#19
who the hell revived this thread......

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Whot's intonation?

Matching the string length to make sure its proper so that all the notes above or at the 12th fret will be in tune. Do a search, there're tons of ppl asking the same question.
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