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Over the years I've witnessed what I concidered to be several "blunders" in Rock & Roll. Bands "selling out" or going new directions that ultimately lead to their downfall.
For example, the band REO Speedwagon. Thier most popular album "High Infedelity" actually cost them their fan base. Their Top 40 bubble gum effort made alot of money while at the same time destroyed their Rock & Roll credibility.
Same story w/the band Foreigner. A once rockin band that actually lost popularity w/top 40 soft rock hits such as "I want to know what love is".
Then there's what Micheal McDonald did to the Doobie Brothers and Peter Cetera did to Chicago. Virtually destroying these once very popular bands w/their bubble gum crap.
Do you agree w/my opinions? Any other examples?
Last edited by EL Conquestidor at Sep 16, 2006,
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Van Hagar *shudders*
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#4
Here are some of my favorite rock and roll blunders. Some of you may not agree.

1. The formation of Velvet Revolver
2. The re-formation of Guns' 'N Roses
3. Metallica's "St. Anger"
4. The formation of Audioslave
5. Megadeth's "Risk" album
6. Metallica vs Napster
7. Michael Jackson touching little boys (not really rock, but whatever)
8. "The Osbournes"
9. Emo was allowed on the radio
10. Spandex pants
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Well, I dont think Van Hagar is really a blunder, I mean they were just looking for a new direction, as they have had one for 6 years at that time, and needed a change, they werent as good, but I would hardly call there Hagar-era stuff bad...

Foriegner and Speedwagon I tottally agree, REO's early stuff is great and there LIVE: you get what you play for album is great, yet they were destroyed by power ballads. But there Golden Country style stuff is still awesome.
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Quote by EL Conquestidor
Exactly what is "EMO"?


If this is a serious question...

It's a softer offshoot of hardcore, started in DC in the 80s by bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace. Some of the guys in DC like Ian Mackaye were unhappy with the hardcore scene and wanted to destroy or create an alternative scene that was less violent.

It has evolved, especially in the 90s, when the emo act Jimmy Eat World became more mainstream, but was still called emo. What is referred to now as "emo" music is different than the original stuff, it's more mainstream, etc.... I'm not an expert, just filling in what I know.


Blunders... hmm. I agree with the Chicago statement.
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Quote by breadfan82
Here are some of my favorite rock and roll blunders. Some of you may not agree.

1. The formation of Velvet Revolver
2. The re-formation of Guns' 'N Roses
3. Metallica's "St. Anger"
4. The formation of Audioslave
5. Megadeth's "Risk" album
6. Metallica vs Napster
7. Michael Jackson touching little boys (not really rock, but whatever)
8. "The Osbournes"
9. Emo was allowed on the radio
10. Spandex pants


Eight of those definitely aren't Classic Rock. The other two I suspect aren't either, but could be debated.
#10
the rolling stones in the late 70s
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the rolling stones in the late 70s


how can you say that? the stones always followed trends from the beggining, but they adapted there own flavor to it, you cant just pick out one era and say that sold out, going by that logic they sold out throughout there carrer....
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Not really an album, but John Lennon: "We're bigger than Jesus"
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#14
Queen's "Hot Space". Not only their worst album but cost them their popularity in America. They never recovered from it, commercially.
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The Trevor Rabin/Yes period. Ewwww.
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I disagree. Most Van Halen fans I know still love the Hagar era, including myself. I wouldn't say it was a total loss.


Aerosmith, on the other hand...

I liked Van Hagar as much as the original VH w/DLR.
And I don't VH was "Looking for a new direction" when they fired DLR and hired SH. They needed a ne front man because Eddie was such an egomaniac tat he couldn't stand DLR stage presence competing w/hs guitar playing.
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Aerosmith, on the other hand...
Rock in a Hard Place and Done With Mirrors. Yikes.
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Ive thrown up every 20 minutes since I watched that. Thats awful.
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1. Brian Johnson
2. Neil Young touring with Pearl Jam
3. Satin pants
4. Synthesizers in ZZ Top
5. Paul Samwell-Smith leaving The Yardbirds
6. Replacing Paul Samwell Smith with Jimmy Page
7. Making Chris Dreja play bass
8. Jeff Beck leaving The Yardbirds
9. Replacing Jeff Beck with Jimmy Page
10. Jake Holmes not suing Led Zeppelin
11. Garfunkel breaking up with Simon
12. Jeff Beck's last three albums
13. Kurt Winter leaving The Guess Who
14. Joe Walsh leaving The James Gang
15. U2
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#24
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Ive thrown up every 20 minutes since I watched that. Thats awful.


Lighten up. That's what the 80's were all about. I, for one, liked that video.
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Should we include the 80's on our blunders lists then? The 80's were the single gayest point in time in the Earth's history.
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^ what the **** are you talking about? the 80's had awesome music. if you're judging it by all the hair metal and pop crap then yeah, it did suck, but considering that The Pixies, Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, R.E.M., Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Devo, Talking Heads, The Jam, The Cramps, The Smiths, and Violent Femmes were 80's bands, you can't say that it sucked.
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^ what the **** are you talking about? the 80's had awesome music. if you're judging it by all the hair metal and pop crap then yeah, it did suck, but considering that The Pixies, Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, R.E.M., Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Devo, Talking Heads, The Jam, The Cramps, The Smiths, and Violent Femmes were 80's bands, you can't say that it sucked.

So you're saying that in addition to it being gay, the 80's also layed the foundation for the pop punk bull**** that is mainstream nowadays?
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The 80's were the single gayest point in time in the Earth's history.


Someone's obviously never heard of the middle ages.
#30
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Rock in a Hard Place and Done With Mirrors. Yikes.



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Should we include the 80's on our blunders lists then? The 80's were the single gayest point in time in the Earth's history.


Hey now, the 80's had some GREAT music. Don't group it all in with the bad.
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KISS.

Never though a band could suck that much.

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Not really an album, but John Lennon: "We're bigger than Jesus"


Once again someone using that quote completly out of context.
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Quote by BrainDamage
Rock in a Hard Place and Done With Mirrors. Yikes.



Ever listen to RIAHP? Great songs...Jailbait, Bolivian Ragamuffin, Bitch's Brew, Joanie's Butterfly, Cheshire Cat...

And DWM has great songs like Darkness, Let The Music Do The Talking, She's On Fire, Gypsy Boots, etc.
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Quote by I Play Guitar!
^ what the **** are you talking about? the 80's had awesome music. if you're judging it by all the hair metal and pop crap then yeah, it did suck, but considering that The Pixies, Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, R.E.M., Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Devo, Talking Heads, The Jam, The Cramps, The Smiths, and Violent Femmes were 80's bands, you can't say that it sucked.



And even if they did influence pop punk, who cares?
#37
Quote by IrishBlues
KISS.

Never though a band could suck that much.


I never thought you could suck so much. I mean honestly, sure they didnt have great musicanship, but they werent trying to be, and there goal was too become popular and write catchy songs, which you cant argue they didnt. Sure they sucked after Ace and Peter left the band, but there first four albums were great...

And even if they did influence pop punk, who cares?


Well, if it wasnt for them, that crap wouldnt be around, so theoreticly every fan of real music should...
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Quote by get-born
Well, if it wasnt for them, that crap wouldnt be around, so theoreticly every fan of real music should...


Pop punk doesn't try to be anything other than fun, catchy music. If you don't like it, that's fine, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't "real music".

Also, to say that the list in general created pop punk is silly; bands like Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, and Black Flag in particular are more indie or hardcore.
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Ever listen to RIAHP? Great songs...Jailbait, Bolivian Ragamuffin, Bitch's Brew, Joanie's Butterfly, Cheshire Cat...

And DWM has great songs like Darkness, Let The Music Do The Talking, She's On Fire, Gypsy Boots, etc.
I honestly wasn't impressed with Rock in a Hard Place, and the only song I like on Done With Mirrors is Let The Music Do The Talking.

The other album that's commonly grouped with those two albums is Night in the Ruts, but I like that album.
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#40
Quote by fronkpies
Once again someone using that quote completly out of context.


No, I agree with what Lennon intended, that they, at the time were more popular than Jesus, considering that in the 60s before that loved the Beatles, while not all Athesists were big fans of Jesus. The blunder is what resulted from it.
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