#1
I know that tube amps sound better turned up and bad at bedroom levels. Is the Peavey 6505 bad at bedroom levels because it is 120watts?
#2
Go play one... I have a 5150 and I will tell you that they are very loud. But they have alot of preamp tube distortion which makes them sound better at lower levels than a lot of tube amps which need to be cranked so the power tubes distort. If your not planning on gigging you are going overkill. And yes, it sounds better loud.
#3
my JSX is 120 watts, and it dont sound bad at bedroom levels. but i dont play in my bedroom, so its never at bedroom level.

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#4
I will be gigging a lot and I realise that 120watts is overkill but they don't make a lower wattage 6505. I will play one before I buy it but the nearest guitar center or any place that would have one is in Sacremento which is a two and a half hour drive.
#5
if you gig,120 watts will be fine.
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#6
120w is too much, but then again I play on a 6watt.

You won't be able to push the power tubes (which is the reason why you get a tube amp) at bedroom volumes, but you'll be able to gig...it'll be loud as hell though. Buy some musicians earplugs if you wan to preserve your hearing.
#7
Quote by Erc
120w is too much, but then again I play on a 6watt.

You won't be able to push the power tubes (which is the reason why you get a tube amp) at bedroom volumes, but you'll be able to gig...it'll be loud as hell though. Buy some musicians earplugs if you wan to preserve your hearing.


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#8
If your planning on gigging go for it. Crank it loud because there is nothing like pounding an open chord and feeling your pant leg rattle.
#9
Quote by joining_heads
Go play one... I have a 5150 and I will tell you that they are very loud. But they have alot of preamp tube distortion which makes them sound better at lower levels than a lot of tube amps which need to be cranked so the power tubes distort. If your not planning on gigging you are going overkill. And yes, it sounds better loud.

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I know that tube amps sound better turned up and bad at bedroom levels. Is the Peavey 6505 bad at bedroom levels because it is 120watts?


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I know that tube amps sound better turned up and bad at bedroom levels. Is the Peavey 6505 bad at bedroom levels because it is 120watts?



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#12
Quote by Erc
120w is too much, but then again I play on a 6watt. So...ok?

You won't be able to push the power tubes (which is the reason why you get a tube amp) No...not really. That was the case a long time ago (and still is today...but not much). Now days its because of that fat, warm tone.at bedroom volumes, but you'll be able to gig...it'll be loud as hell though. Buy some musicians earplugs if you wan to preserve your hearing....wuss

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edit- WATTAGE DOESNT MATTER. kjhfdgkjhghg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMNIT I hate when people are like "zomgz the Triple Recto is WAY TOO MUCH EVAR!!!!! MYSPACEE BL0G!!!!!!!! ITS 150 effing watties!!!!!! GET THE 6505!@!@!@!!!!!"

150
-120
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30watt difference.

WOW WHAT A HUGE DIFFERENCE!!

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#13
nice. i actually lol'd.
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**** yeah
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#16
yeah, these wattage things are kind of inflated. People make it out to be a huge deal, but the differences aren't as big as people make it once you're at 50W+, it's mostly about headroom after that. The human ear perceives roughly 10dB as being twice as loud. To get a +3dB increase, twice the power is needed(2:1 ratio). to get +10dB, 10x the power is needed.

start with 50W @ 110dB dimed on 10. to get +3dB, we need to double the power, so that's 100W @ 113dB.
now to get another +3dB, you need to double the power again, so that's 200W @ 116dB.
Now double the power again to get another +3dB, and we are at 400W @ 119dB.
to get the 1dB, 1.26x the power is the ratio, so 1.26x400W= 504~500W @ 120dB

So, you would need 500W just to double the "perceived" volume from a 50W amp dimed on 10.


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Sound Environment--------------------(dBA SPL)-----------Approximate loudness compared to ordinary conversation
Quiet suburban area or dishwasher in next room---------------50-----1/2 as loud
Office interior or ordinary conversation----------------------------60-----Ordinary Conversation
Vacuum cleaner at 10 ft.----------------------------------------------70-----Twice as loud
Passing car at 10 ft. or garbage disposal at 3 ft-----------------80-----4 times as loud
Passing bus or truck at 10 ft. or food blender at 3 ft.-----------90-----8 times as loud
Passing subway train at 10 ft. or gas lawn mower at 3 ft.-----100--16 times as loud
Night club with band playing------------------------------------------110---32 times as loud
Threshold of pain--------------------------------------------------------120---64 times as loud as conversation (twice as loud as night club)


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177 Record for car audio!
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120 Loud Rock Concert
110 Moderate rock concert, dance club
100 Motorcycle
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90 Lawnmower, loud home stereo
85 Jackhammer at 15 meters (50 feet)
80 Moderate home stereo, ringing telephone
75 Average City Street
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30 Whisper at 3 meters (10 feet), Very soft music
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#17
Wow ??
Tone is all ...... well probably 75%, in your fingers.
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#18
Yeah but if you have 120w going into 2 speakers, wouldn't that be not as loud as 120w going into 1 speaker?
#19
Quote by Erock503
yeah, these wattage things are kind of inflated. People make it out to be a huge deal, but the differences aren't as big as people make it once you're at 50W+, it's mostly about headroom after that. The human ear perceives roughly 10dB as being twice as loud. To get a +3dB increase, twice the power is needed(2:1 ratio). to get +10dB, 10x the power is needed.

start with 50W @ 110dB dimed on 10. to get +3dB, we need to double the power, so that's 100W @ 113dB.
now to get another +3dB, you need to double the power again, so that's 200W @ 116dB.
Now double the power again to get another +3dB, and we are at 400W @ 119dB.
to get the 1dB, 1.26x the power is the ratio, so 1.26x400W= 504~500W @ 120dB

So, you would need 500W just to double the "perceived" volume from a 50W amp dimed on 10.


http://www.state.me.us/spo/landuse/docs/NoiseTABulletin.pdf
http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/
http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/db.html

Dude thank you so much! lol Im bookmarking this page so if any of these wattage issues come up i can link to it!
#20
You know what? I think I'm just going to save up for a Carvin V3. It seems like they're more versatile and have a great sound.


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Quote by Erock503
yeah, these wattage things are kind of inflated. People make it out to be a huge deal, but the differences aren't as big as people make it once you're at 50W+, it's mostly about headroom after that. The human ear perceives roughly 10dB as being twice as loud. To get a +3dB increase, twice the power is needed(2:1 ratio). to get +10dB, 10x the power is needed.

start with 50W @ 110dB dimed on 10. to get +3dB, we need to double the power, so that's 100W @ 113dB.
now to get another +3dB, you need to double the power again, so that's 200W @ 116dB.
Now double the power again to get another +3dB, and we are at 400W @ 119dB.
to get the 1dB, 1.26x the power is the ratio, so 1.26x400W= 504~500W @ 120dB

So, you would need 500W just to double the "perceived" volume from a 50W amp dimed on 10.


http://www.state.me.us/spo/landuse/docs/NoiseTABulletin.pdf
http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/
http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/db.html



This should be in the FAQ. Right at the top. It's kind of sad to realize that through the same speakers, the 120 watt 6505 metal beast is exactly 40% louder than my 30 watt head. It's only 80% louder than a 15 watt amp- that's right, not even twice as loud. Sure, it'll have lots more headroom, but that's not usually what one wants in a metal amp.

Something to think about- speaker sensitivity means a LOT. A 30 watt head through a 2x12 with speakers rated at 103 dB(i.e. Celestion Century) will actually be LOUDER than a 100 watt head through a the same cab with greenbacks (97dB). Chew on that for a minute.
#22
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177 Record for car audio!

actually. that info is outdated. a guy with something to the tune of 12 to 14 pioneer competition subs with 50,000 watts posted an official 180.2 db and an unofficial 182.0 back around the first of the year


yes i used to be a car audio fanatic.
#23
way too much for bedroom.
i have a 40watt fender tube and i play it at volume 2 and its loud.
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#24
yesterday i was told to turn my amp down my by neighbor. very first time it has ever happened.

i thought it was weird. only had my amp at 2 :p
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#25
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I know that tube amps sound better turned up and bad at bedroom levels. Is the Peavey 6505 bad at bedroom levels because it is 120watts?

I just got a 6505+ half stack today. This mf'er smokes! It's very, very tolerable at lower levels. I have mine just below 1 and it sounds very nice. I cranked it just past 2 this afternoon and you could barely stand to be in the same room with it. lol
#26
Hey tubadude, my 120w Peavey sits in the room next to my front door and I continue to keep the master volume at or above 3 at all times of the day lol. I'm wondering when I'm gonna get a knock on the door. Oh btw, I too am left handed, but play right handed!

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yesterday i was told to turn my amp down my by neighbor. very first time it has ever happened.

i thought it was weird. only had my amp at 2 :p
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#27
Well, you could always buy a THD Hot Plate

Then you could crank the amp at decent levels
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#28
I dont see why everyone thinks that **** is so loud, ive cranked my twin reverb to 10 many a time and its pretty damn ****ing loud, but i can still stay within a mile of it, unlike most people, i dont play in a small bedroom tho.
#29
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Hey tubadude, my 120w Peavey sits in the room next to my front door and I continue to keep the master volume at or above 3 at all times of the day lol. I'm wondering when I'm gonna get a knock on the door. Oh btw, I too am left handed, but play right handed!



it was the first time, it thought it was weird because my dad can watch tv on the other side of the wall just fine. but my neighbor who is about 250 feet away, came over and told me to turn it down. totally killed the mood to play.
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it was the first time, it thought it was weird because my dad can watch tv on the other side of the wall just fine. but my neighbor who is about 250 feet away, came over and told me to turn it down. totally killed the mood to play.


Whenever someone tells me to turn down, it totally kills the mood to play.
#31
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way too much for bedroom.
i have a 40watt fender tube and i play it at volume 2 and its loud.

Have you not read anything Erock and I have said in the thread?
#32
Quote by Gitter_Wizard
I dont see why everyone thinks that **** is so loud, ive cranked my twin reverb to 10 many a time and its pretty damn ****ing loud, but i can still stay within a mile of it, unlike most people, i dont play in a small bedroom tho.



keep doing that you will have hearing problems