#1
ok the other week i got a new dean razorback guitar (kickass guitar i highly recomend it). i just put some DR .011-.050s on it and now the long shafts that you use to fasten the strings at the bridge in place with are sittin about 1/2 to 3/4 inchs off the body! i know it wasnt like this before i put the stings on so is there anything i can do? or would i have to take it to a shop to have it set up? o and im not sure what guages of strings were on it before the DRs but they were lighter and were dadario strings.
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#2
Normally they put 9s on em. If your bridge is lifted up, which it is, then you need to loosen your tuning a bit and tighten the claw's screws at the tremolo cavity at the back. Is this your 1st time on Floyd Rose? Do you know how to tune it? Also, changing to 11s, you might wanna check back your intonation and neck relief to see whether its proper.
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#3
yea this is my first time using a floyd rose but i wasnt even in standard tuning when thisn happend. uhhmmmm for tuning ive been like tune 2 strings in the same nut, lock that section, move on to next one, and just keep doin that abunch of times till its in tune. if im doin this wrong id really apreciate you lettin me know. i also raised the action a about 2 full turns on the bass side and bout 1 full time on the highs side cause the strings were buzzin, and 3 of the strings were broken beofre i changed em would that fuk up my tremolo? o and how do i check the intonation and neck relief?
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#4
Tuning Floyd Roses' Intonation isnt hard at all, its just time consuming and requires a lot of patience. If you dont have the proper intonation tool, you gotta do it by trial and error, again, the key point is PATIENCE. Once you've done it, its really really simple and eventually you'll get faster and can predict where to move the saddles. Ok lets get started.

This is the thing you should adjust on ur bridge. The little tiny screw below the strings.


This is a special intonation tool for Ibanez Edge tremolo system, sold at http://www.ibanezrules.com/parts.htm#Misc, look under MISC section.


These are the steps on how to properly adjust your intonation on floyd rose system.

Tuning Floyd Rose:
1) Loosen the locking nut
2) Set your fine tuners to middle position
3) Tune up your guitar to standard or whichever tunings u wish. "Cross-tuning" between strings if you want easier. Tune the low E string> A string> low E string again> D string> low E string>A string... and so forth. Keep repeating for all strings. To make it more easier, tune the low E generally a bit sharper or about half step sharper, so that you might not have to repeat crossing the strings again and again.
4) If the floating bridge comes out, loosen the tunings and then tighten the springs in the tremolo cavity at the back, if the bridge sinks, then vice-versa, until the bridge is parallel to the body.
5) Be patient
6) If you're happy with your tunings and your bridge is well centered, lock in the nut
7) Tune again using the fine tuners

Also some tips - You might want to have at least 3 springs and after following the tuning method above, tighten the 2 claw's screw for about 1/8th or 1/4th more. This is to prevent your floating bridge from getting stuck to the knife edges on the posts (action studs) after you bend notes. You can ignore this if your bridge/trem is reliable (e.g. Edge Pro, Edge, ZR, Lo-Pro Edge, Original Floyd Rose, Licenced Floyd Rose by Kahler/Schaller/Gotoh). But still you may face this problem even if your bridge is very good.

Stretch the strings first if they're new

More info on tuning floyd roses - http://www.floydrose.com/originaltremolo.html
Info on changing strings - http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/steal_this_video_re-stringing_guitar.html
Picture guide on how to perform the #4 step mentioned above - http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/floydrosetremolo.htm
http://www.jemsite.com/tech/1setup.htm#step1

Checking the intonation
1) Check the intonation on each strings and you might want to get a pencil for this. Jot down every sharps or flats on every strings
2) Pick a harmonic at the 12th fret of E and make sure its tuned to your tuning like open E = 12th fret harmonics. Or any downtunings make sure its the same
3) Now fret the 12th fret with normal finger pressure and check wheter its the same with the 12th fret harmonic/open E
4) If the notes of the open note vs. the natural harmonic are different you need to adjust the saddle position
5) Mark the strings that you wish to intonate

Setting the intonation
1) If you dont have the special tool, you need to loosen the string 1 by one and adjust its intonation step by step.
2) Here's the tricky part, your string needs to be properly loosed and you might want to hold it using ur fingers because if the tension is still there, the strings will pull the intonation saddle after you loosen it.
3) Loosen the saddle screw, see your notes that you just jotted, if the fretted note is SHARP, move the saddle AWAY from the neck and vice-versa.
4) You might have to move the saddle quite a bit to realize changes. You can get it really far back, past the bolt's head or washer in fact.
5) There are two bolt positions for adjustments so if there is not enough adjustment in the saddle move saddle further and use the next hole for the intonation lock down screw as you can see on pic below:

Ibanez ILT example Bridge
*there is another hole in front that you can put the saddle screw if the desired intonation isnt proper.
6) Tighten the intonation lock screw firmly taking care not to strip the screw
7) Retune the string and retest fret-12 fretted to the fret-12 natural harmonic
8) This is probably the most sickening step of all. This is a really really by trial and error, so if your desired pitch isnt working, you have to do it again and again and repeat the steps above until its properly intoned.

Really important notes, read this through
- Loosen the strings to make way for the allen/hex wrench to be properly inserted in the saddle screw. AVOID contact with the hex wrench and the strings. I did this once and the string just break....
- The notes at the 12th fret open note vs 12 fret natural harmonic should be in tune with themselves
- Do not touch this because thats the string lock.

If you loosen it the strings will pop out. Same as the Ibanez ILT example Bridge, do not touch the (E) part.

- BE PATIENT, you dont want to get any mental breakdowns
- When loosening the strings, you MUST intonate it 1 by one, and NOT ALL at once. For example, you make sure all ur strings are in tune, then check the ones with messed up intonation and loosen that string ONLY. You loosen it like said, untill you have a clearance for the hex wrench.
- You dont need any wooden blocks or any sorts of blocking mechanism.

Hope this helps, its quite bitching and whatnot so you can save your time (but not ur money) by just sending it to professional tech to be properly setup.

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#5
Adjusting The Truss Rod

1) Always make sure that you're in your desired perfect tuning pitch.
2) Measure your neck relief and see whether its proper. Fret the 1st fret low E and the 19th/20th fret where the neck meets the body and see the 8th fretwire. There should be a clearance of at least 0.3mm-0.5mm between the low E and the fretwire.
3) If the string lays dead on the fretboard/fretwires or below 0.3mm (0.2 i still ok IMO), then you'd need to loosen your truss rod. If the string is higher than 0.5mm, then you have to much neck relief, you need to tighten your truss rod.
4) Always tighten or loosen your truss rod in 1/4th of a turn or 1/8th of a turn each time, and let rest between each turn for about 10-20 minutes to let your neck adjust to its new settings.
5) Check your neck relief by performing step#2 again and see whether its proper. Also, make sure that you're still in your desired tuning and re-check every now and then if your tuning runs off.
6) After you've accomplish to let your neck relief to be at least in between 0.3mm and 0.5mm, again, let the neck rest.

Tips:
- You can get extra hands and use a feeler gauge to measure your 8th fretwire or just simply capo the 1st fret. This is for more accurate measurement.
- Important* If your action is too high, that may also be the cause of your neck relief being higher than it should, i suggest that you restore the low E action to its factory setting (normally 2mm-3mm above the 12th fretwire) and measure your neck relief.

Helpful websites:
- http://projectguitar.com/tut/trussadjust.htm
- http://www.jemsite.com/tech/1setup.htm#step3
- http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/trussrods.htm


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#6
sweet thanx alot for the info.
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