#1
Whenever i play i always use a bit of reverb to clean things up. just so that i dont get that annoying bit of a pick scratch when im doing trem picking and sweeping. and it overall just sounds nicer. but the question is, is little bit of reverb (just enough to cover up the pick scratch, not even to the point where you hear the echo) a cover up or is it a tone booster?

myself i think, if it sounds better then why not do it? what do you think?
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I've never heard anyone call it a cheater knob or cover up... and I'm glad I haven't because that's a retarded thing to say.
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#3
For practising, I'd say, stay clean, because you WANT to know what you're not doing perfectly.

For performance, as long as you don't mind the difference in tone, go for it.
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#4
I practice unplugged. Because
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#5
yeah i understand what you mean about using it as "cover up"
but imo
it doesn't cover it up too much so if someone REALLY sucks... kicking in reverb just makes it a shiny suck.

plus alex lifeson of rush used reverb/chorus all the time
because it sounds better
#6
spring reverb is pretty much essentioal to my tone, so i dont htink its really cheating, i mean i guess you could use it to cover stuff up, but i just like the way it sounds.
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#7
Reverb can hide sloppy playing, in a similar way to distortion or compression, but i think it does enhance your tone and make it sound a lot smoother. I wouldnt use it for practising, but for recording or gigging, a little reverb is a must for anyone, in my opinion.
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Depends on how you use it.
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#11
nah, I don't think it's a cover up at all, thats like calling your bass knob a "cheater knob"
#12
I love the sound of full on reverb, when its max'd out. But it makes you sound really sloppy.
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#13
If anything is a cheater knob it's the gain knob.
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#15
Most people that can't play or are really sloppy hide their slop behind gobs of gain. I don't use much reverb at all, but it definitely smooths out my lead tone alittle.
#16
I always hate that idea of 'cheating'. That's like saying that banjo is better than guitar because guitar's sound better to most people. It's total bullsh*t.

Reverb sounds good on big, open clean parts, but sh*t on crushing metal riffs. It's a tool; use it if you want to.
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#17
no i think turning up your gain will amplify and mistakes.......................but i listen tooo closely:p
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#18
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no i think turning up your gain will amplify and mistakes.......................but i listen tooo closely:p


no if you use gain to the level were talking about it will just sound like a big muddy mess and you wont be able to hear small mistakes.
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#19
I only use reverb up 0-3 depending on what i'm playing

and this whole "Cheat" thing is bull crap

I have gain 10 when playing stuff like megadeth, metallica, anthrax or slayer cos its chuggier and really makes power chords sound
i drop it to about 6-7 for stuff like satriani, it never covers up my mistakes, neither does reverb, i can still hear them so then i practice more

if you feel that you can cover your mistakes with shed loads of gain or reverb then you arent going to get anywhere simple
#20
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no i think turning up your gain will amplify and mistakes.......................but i listen tooo closely:p


Wow... Turning the gain up is an excuse for covering up slop. Turn it down or use your clean channel to hear your mistakes. I'm mainly talking about lead work, for rhythm it's preference as to how much gain you want for the sound you're after.
#21
Anytime that I'm riffing or playing rock, I never use any reverb(well, thats not true, but I would probably only turn it up to 2 on my Hot Rod Deluxe). Whenever I'm playing open, clean parts, I usually turn it up to about 4-6. If I am using my lead tone, I usually turn the reverb up to about 9, and turn the gain up about 6, and then crank it. It definately makes my lead tone more smooth.

I don't see how it is cheating because its not like it covers up massive mistakes or anything. It does make stuff sound better when used correctly though. If you play half-assed, using a bit of reverb isn't going to make it sound any better.
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#22
Gain is more of a cheater knob then anything because...

REALLY high gain makes sustaining notes much more easy. You listen to early blues guitarists and a lot of their sustain comes from vibrato. And two high gain covers things up because its all so...gainy. Though I'm not saying its bad, I play with fairly high gain because...it makes sustaining notes easier and its ok to be a bit sloppy, and I see nothing wrong with it.
#23
If you think it's ok to be alittle sloppy, stay away from John Petrucci's forum, there's a lot of talented musicians on his forum, but most of them won't put up with slop. There's a recent thread right now where people are picking apart Petrucci's live playing. They must bring notepads to every show and write down every mistake or something.
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#25
playing guitar isnt a game, so no, its not cheating
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If anything is a cheater knob it's the gain knob.


Maybe if you play a fuzz box.

A tight amp like my ENGL and everything stands out when you turn the gain up.
#27
i dont think its a cheater knob, i dont use any reverb because i think it makes the playing sound like **** with it on
maybe for a solo, reverb on ten would sound sick, but when playing chords and punk, any reverb at all ****s it up
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no, the cheater fx are distortions
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#29
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If anything is a cheater knob it's the gain knob.

Totally agree, Reverb isn't a cheater knob at all in my book, more of a different sound knob and if you are afraid you're using it to cheat try playing unplugged or keep playing completely clean if you don't feel comfortable until you've reached the next level
#30
Reverb is just a sound, it depends how you reason for using it, I use it to give my guitar a little more of a roomy sound, thats like saying if you turn your volume knob up your covering up for your soft picking. If you're using it to cover up for your mistakes than you're using it to cover yourself up theres no need to ask other people. If you think you're cheating by using it than you are noones gonna tell you that.
#31
i say if your learning new **** then do it completely clean...on a steel string acoustic if you can

but once its down and your gigging then if reverb improves your tone then go for it for sure
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#32
I use ****loads of reverb...not because I'm sloppy but because it's become start of my guitar style and I like how it sounds.

When I get to my amp the first thing I do is jack the 'verb up to 10.
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#33
Chet Atkins called reverb talent, so in his opinion, it was a cover up. He used to say, "Hey, you want a little talent on that guitar part?"
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#35
The thing bout gain........or atleast my view on gain

I play less sloppy on low gain settings.......... I usually keep it around 5 - 7.5 , 8 only for Meshuggah jamming........

Oh yeah................ REVERB TOTALLY SUCKS FOR RHYTHM................. I'm much more of a Delay dude........
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#36
i remember reading an interview with Pantera Darrell and he talks about one day as a kid he's listening to van halen and his dad walks in right at the big lead jerk-off festival (appologies to EVH fans. it make me want to vomit) and claims "of course he sounds good. anybody who uses that much reverb will sound good."
from what i remember Darrell played rather dry.
#37
^Your point is ??
Tone is all ...... well probably 75%, in your fingers.
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#38
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i remember reading an interview with Pantera Darrell and he talks about one day as a kid he's listening to van halen and his dad walks in right at the big lead jerk-off festival (appologies to EVH fans. it make me want to vomit) and claims "of course he sounds good. anybody who uses that much reverb will sound good."
from what i remember Darrell played rather dry.


Anyone who has that much reverb will have good tone. I just went down stairs, played really ****ty and cranked my reverb.

I had great tone.

But the playing still sucked.