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taborama
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#1
http://www.ustr.gov/assets/Document_Library/Fact_Sheets/2006/asset_upload_file151_9980.pdf

Fighting Internet Piracy

The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website.

Russia will:
- take enforcement actions against the operation of Russia-based websites; and
- investigate and prosecute companies that illegally distribute copyright works on the Internet.

Russia will work to enact legislation by June 1, 2007, to stop collecting societies from acting without right holder consent,

Russia will also work to enact legislation implementing the 1996 World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) Internet treaties.


Get all the tabs while you can
Derigiberble
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#4
Interesting.

And there was me thinking UG could never die.
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Andrew Zara
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#5
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.
Derigiberble
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#7
Quote by Andrew Zara
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.


Did you read it? Russia is implementing new legislation. It doesn't matter about agreements or Licenses after that. It'll be a new law.
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Andrew Zara
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#8
Quote by Derigiberble
Did you read it? Russia is implementing new legislation. It doesn't matter about agreements or Licenses after that. It'll be a new law.


uh oh, UG's in deep s*** then. I hate Russia
ibanez-gnr14
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#9
Its not copyright if its people's own way of playing these songs. Plus UG doesn't have to completely shut down, just mabey take off the tabs. There would still be everything else.
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#10
Are tabs considered copyrighted work? It doesn't say anything about tabs specifically, just actual music.
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Derigiberble
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#11
According to American government policy, Tabs, including peoples own interpretations of songs are considered as copywritable material and thus are not allowed for general release. It's all a bit ridiculous, but then I suppose try telling that to all the bands that think they could make more money selling tab books (which incidently are rarely actually like the song's they portray, in contrast to tabs which are often consistently correct).
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ibaRGnez321
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#12
Wow, not cool.

Well, even if UG gets shutdown, which hopefully is unlikely, they should keep the forums up.
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#13
Quote by Andrew Zara
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.



if yall dont believe him you can check out
http://www.guitartabs.cc/


its the site i used until they closed down and i found UG
Derigiberble
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#14
Quote by thundrstruk891
if yall dont believe him you can check out
http://www.guitartabs.cc/


its the site i used until they closed down and i found UG


Yeah the difference is, in Russia companies can apply for licences which allow them to distribute copywritable material via the web for a fee. This new legislation will no doubt get rid of these licences.

The site you used to visit obviously got shut down because it was situated in a country which didn't offer said licences, most likely America or the UK.
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CorduroyEW
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#15
But doesn't UG actually pay for the right to have these tabs up? You would think that a licence that was paid for would still be OK. I dunno.
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Derigiberble
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#16
Quote by CorduroyEW
But doesn't UG actually pay for the right to have these tabs up? You would think that a licence that was paid for would still be OK. I dunno.


Yeah currently that is the case, but I'm not sure whether or not the money actually goes to the artists or whether it just goes to the Russian government, I dunno, I'm not qualified to say. Either way, this new legislation with completely remove these licences.
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#17
I lost a part of my life when Taborama shut down, they'd better not come here. Or I'll have to start buying tab books, god forbid.
Andrew Zara
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#19
I still don't beleive UG will ever go down, besides, don't we have different bases in all of the world? Like Europe and Canada? So, we could move there.
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#20
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Strat_Monkey
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#21
OK, at the risk of sounding like a hippy, Music Should Be Free! I can't believe anyone supports this legislation apart from big f*cking muisc execs with too much money already. I swear, I will never sign to a major label...
Feel free to ignore my ranting.

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#22
Bit late for an April Fools isn't it? :P

Why not change this site to be an 'underground society. where only those who need to know, know.

The title will still be UG, but Underground-Guitar. It'll be like the A-Team, but GOOD!
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#23
Seriously?

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#24
1- UG pays fees to continue to post tabs/files (whether or not this will change, I don't know)
2- The forums won't get shut down (hopefully)
3- there will always be tabs on the internet, no matter how hard they try to shut sites down.
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FrenchyFungus
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#25
zappp has said UG will not shut down, no matter what.

I believe him.
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#26
Quote by Derigiberble
Yeah the difference is, in Russia companies can apply for licences which allow them to distribute copywritable material via the web for a fee. This new legislation will no doubt get rid of these licences.


UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.
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#27
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UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.




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#29
I would wonder if there could be some form of payment for use of the tabs at the site. Then UG could pay the "Royalties" to distribute the tabs.
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#30
Quote by Strat_Monkey
OK, at the risk of sounding like a hippy, Music Should Be Free! I can't believe anyone supports this legislation apart from big f*cking muisc execs with too much money already. I swear, I will never sign to a major label...


Why should music be free? Shouldn't musicians have a right to earn money form their music?
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Strat_Monkey
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#31
^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.

I said music should be free, not that it was a remotely realistic idea in this world.

Quote by andrewbiles
UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.


Where are they then? Narnia?
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CorduroyEW
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#32
^Come on, thats just silly. Everybody knows they are at Hogwarts. If something goes wrong with UG it's because Harry Potter and all his little buddies are dead.
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#33
Aren't they in the Netherlands or something now?

I vote Iran or North Korea! As I think we all know from experience, the US doesn't have much sway in those parts.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
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FrenchyFungus
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#34
Quote by Strat_Monkey
^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.

I said music should be free, not that it was a remotely realistic idea in this world.


Where are they then? Narnia?

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#36
Quote by ptannjr
I would wonder if there could be some form of payment for use of the tabs at the site. Then UG could pay the "Royalties" to distribute the tabs.


I think you'll have to expect that at some point in the future, but zappp really is trying to keep it free.

Quote by Strat_Monkey
^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.


Very rarely its the sole aim of a band to just go out and make money. The only band I've actually heard admit that that was their aim was KISS, and what they did (and created musically) was just disgusting.
Artists barely get any money from tab books, there are so many contributors to tab books that have to get paid so the slice of the pie is tiny, and the amount that actually sell is equally small. However, without these people that have to get paid (ie, the publishers) then it would mean a smaller paycheck for the artists in the end. Thats why the whole 'free music' idea just isn't fair. There are bands that are willing to go through life and not make much money, but at the end of the day, why most indie band (by that I mean unsigned/signed to tiny labels) split up is due to the lifestyle they're having to live to be dedicated to music. Would you not prefer that people were living comfortably if they're providing you, and thousands of others, with a bit of entertainment that you can enjoy for decades to come? Its very rare that you get bands actually earning £1million from a contract, and then that million has to go a long way. It has to last three to six people (generally) possibly two years and there are a lot of costs that they'll have to use that money towards as well (recording, mastering, equipment, living, etc), and at the end of the day, who knows whether they'll actually continue to earn money from music after that? If the album flops badly, then they will get dropped and by on minimum wage like everyone else.
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#37
Quote by andrewbiles
I think you'll have to expect that at some point in the future, but zappp really is trying to keep it free.


Would existing members have to pay?
AdamDK
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#38
UG won't shut down, I guarentee you.

UG Pays royalties - With new legislation or not, paying royalties = LEGAL.

Read the text. It says this:

" The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website. "

Notice it says "Illegal distribution of music and other copyright works". That's ILLEGAL distribution. In any country, if you pay the royalties, it is legal. Simple as.
taborama
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#39
Quote by AdamDK
UG won't shut down, I guarentee you.

UG Pays royalties - With new legislation or not, paying royalties = LEGAL.

Read the text. It says this:

" The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website. "

Notice it says "Illegal distribution of music and other copyright works". That's ILLEGAL distribution. In any country, if you pay the royalties, it is legal. Simple as.


But these websites are not pay royalties to the copyright owners:

"Russia will work to enact legislation by June 1, 2007, to stop collecting societies from acting without right holder consent."

ROMS is one of these "collecting societies". The copyright holders never see a dime.
Gutch220
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#40
I would be willing to pay a small fee to download GuitarPro or Power Tabs as long as they were correct (from an established publisher like Hal Leonard, Cherry Lane, etc). Maybe 99 cents per song. I wouldn't want to pay for home made tabs though.

Maybe the servers are in Switzerland, that would be cool.
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