Page 3 of 185
#81
I can be such a noob sometimes. I forgot about this thread and made another wah mod thread... but anyways. Most of my questions have been answered except for a few.

I have the JH-1 (Hendrix model) wah with the rev G board. I got it for free from a friend who needed a pretty long ride out of town.

1) I'm experiencing a slight volume loss (not huge but if you listen closely you can hear it) when my wah gets switched on. If I were to convert it to true-bypass will this be fixed or is there something else I need to do to fix that?

2) Is the fasel inductor as good as everyone says it is? Is it good for a nice Hendrix-Clapton sound? OR would the halo inductor be better?

3) Would you (mostly directed a Pinky or any of you who've done this mod) recommend removing the buffer at the input (some of the parts in the red highlighted areas from the pic on the first page). I've heard that the buffer is suposed to do away with the need for true-bypass, but some people say it causes a loss of treble. And I'm assuming this is whats causing my slight volume loss... but I could be wrong . If I do this mod (the true-bypass mod with the buffer still installed) will I still be experiencing a loss of treble and volume? If not how will it sound with the buffer still installed?

4) Last question: Should I change the wah pot for the sound I'm after? I was thinking of one of these but I'm not too sure which one would be better. Would any of these give me more of a Hendrix-Clapton sound? Or should I not even bother with that?
Hai UG!
#83
Quote by sempri_fi
uhhh so pink where are those sound clips we were promised like 4 pages ago????????????

Going to Columbia University this fall! Woohoo!
Member of UGPSA: Ultimate-Guitar's Potsmokers Association
#84
^I got lazy.

If you don't want to take out the buffer, lower the 68k resistor, and if you want lower the 330 ohm resistor(been done on the mod I posted in the beginning.)
Taking out the buffer should fix it anyways.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#85
Quote by That_Pink_Queen
Taking out the buffer should fix it anyways.


Should fix the volume loss?

What about the wah pots and inductors? Should I even bother replacing them?
Hai UG!
#86
Yes to the volume loss question.

As for pots+inductors, I'd say switch the inductor first, and then if you're still not happy, the pot. As for Halo vs Fasel, dunno, you'll have to read up on your own.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#87
Thanks a lot man. I'll try to find as much info as I can.... if I find any thing interesting or usefull I'll post a link.
Hai UG!
#88
I found a pretty good thread on diystompboxes.

Apperently one guy on that site thinks the arielfx halo replica is the best sounding inductor because it has an inductance value of 500mh to 520mh. A quote from the site explains why 500mh - 520mh inductor is considered to be the best.

"when a inductor is made to less mH, it has higher series resistance which would make the highs less thus more bass kinda, the highs boosted from lower inductance" I don't know if this guys right but it seems to make some sense because (like mentioned on that thread) Jimmy Pages wah had a very nasaly type sound and it had a pretty low inductance value.

So I guess that the Halo is better becasue it's probably right in the middle, while the fasels have a littel less mh. BTW the dunlops made since '99 have an inductance value of about 680mh. It might just have a slightly different sound from the Halo so I think changing the inductors on the new dunlops will not (like Pink_Queen said before) provide you with a drastic change. But you also have to consider that the construction of the inductor itself will have a greater effect on the sound. So if the inductor wasn't made properly, or with crappy parts, a change could be better for the sound.

Here's another site that might be useful.
Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 17, 2006,
#89
REV E site anyone? I have a few mods, but I want a more treble-based wah and a gain boost.
#90
This might help. There's abunch of stuff on there. Don't know if it's exactly what you're looking for though.
Hai UG!
#91
okay i am thinking of doing the zakk Wylde wah thing and i was wondering if instead of using a fasel inductor i can use the halo inductor? and could i still do the mods on stinkfoot?
Quote by rabidguitarist
I even tried dressing up as a fly myself, and throwing myself out of the window in the hope that they will follow me. But to no avail.

Quote by daytripper75
we have a Llama forum, and still no drum forum.
#92
what wah sound do you get if you change the 100k resistor next to the inductor to 0k? what happens when you add a 250k resitor?
#93
That resistor is supposed add vocal characteristics to the wah. Read the vocal mod part on this site. As for how it would sound I'm not really sure... just buy a bunch of resistors and try 'em out. I would assume that a 250k resistor wouldn't sound to good though.
Hai UG!
#95
I sold my old vox and bought a Hand Made Boutique wah, Teese Real McCoy Custom Wah.
Anypne want gut pictures?
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#97
DBS_KICKS_ASS:
Try playing with the "sweep" capacitor. You want to set the sweep higher. You'll find the wah dropping out a bit on the lower notes though I think here.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#98
dude seriously...sound clips. how do i no if i want to do the mod or not? it would suck if i went through all the effort so i could say "wow this sucks ganny ****"
#99
Quote by funkdaddyfresh
dude seriously...sound clips. how do i no if i want to do the mod or not? it would suck if i went through all the effort so i could say "wow this sucks ganny ****"

Dude seriously... Sound clips don't mean jack, if you base judgement on sound clips you're a very foolish consumer. Not to mention the whole point in modding your wah is toget it sounding EXACTLY how you want it.. Try swapping a few things, don't like it? Swap some more...


For sale: Early 1985 Ibanez AH10 (Allan Holdsworth signature model) PM for details
#100
My new wah cost about $188 after taxes, I'll post pics once I find my camera.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#101
Here you go.

Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#102
Damn.... I bet it was worth it though.

Well said power freak. It really is the only way you'll know if you like it or not.

EDIT: I'm assuming you can't buy those inductors anywhere... they have to be custom made for that wah.

Do you think a very nice UG'er can go through the trouble of naming all the parts on the board for me.... I know jack shjt about that stuff, but I'm trying to learn with every spare minute I have.
Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 20, 2006,
#103
Yea he buys them from a guy that custom makes them, its true-bypass. Think of the wah tone on SlowRide by Kenny Wayne Shepherd with a little bit more sweep and throatynesss.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#105
Yep.
I don't know if I used an OC140(forgot), but it will work. You can try a mess of transistors, just add some sockets so you can tinker with stuff. It's alot of fun.

In most pedals, you typicallly have stuff like this:

Resistors
Capacitors
Semiconductors. These can be in the form of bipolar transistors(in this wah for example), jfets, mosfets, or IC(opamp type things). Also among these are diodes.
Then there are a few more specialty parts that popup sometimes...
Things like inductors, optical crap, stuff like that.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#106
Yea it is, I love it to death, though I have no guitar at the moment to play with it, ones in the shop getting a pick-up swap, and Im rebuilding one.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#107
^Master plan...
Could you maybe post a picture of the top and bottom of the board? Like a high-definition one so I can read the resistor codes.
If you could go look at all the capacitor codes and post them that would be cool...


I can come up with a schematic, and it looks like we can use the Dunlop wah PCB(or Vox) to copy it!
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#108
well I cant take the board out beacuse the wires out are soldered instead of plugged but I'll try.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#109
Their are no number like the vox or cry board, Geoffery Teese is very secretive with how he makes them.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#110
I mean on the components themselves...
Could you look at the capacitors(the ones without color stripes) and tell me the numbers codes? It should say stuff like "104J" or so on them somewhere.

And you don't need to remove the board, can you just flip it upside down or something then?
(I just want to see the copper traces on the bottom side of the board.)
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#111
Deleted by Mascot.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#112
Hey Pink_Queen on the stinkfoot site it says that if you use a 3PDT switch you should ignore the 3rd row of soldering slugs. Does it really matter which row I ignore as long as it's one full row? Cause I see that the pic on the 1st page has the middle row ignored/blank.

I'm findin it a little difficult follwing the wires on that pic aswell on the 1st page. Can anyone give me a link to something like this: only with a 3PDT switch?
Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 22, 2006,
#113
^why dont you use a dpdt then they are way cheaper....but yea one whole row doesnt matter.
#114
I ordered the 3PDT because I thought it would be better. I thought "hmmm, DPDT... 3PDT. The 3PDT must be better cause it's more money and it's 3" And I didn't really know the difference between the two. Plus I'm really new to this stuff, the only thing I've ever soldered was new pups and wirring on my guitar. But whatever, I can always throw it up on eBay or something if I want. But I think I'll use it for convenience sake.

EDIT: It would work if I use the diagram I posted above with the 3PDT ignoring one row though right?

Ohh yeah I forgot: IF I wire the ground wire to the wah's case will it change the sound at all compared to wirring it to the pcb's? I know soldering to the pcb eliminates crosstalk but does it do anything to the tone?
Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 22, 2006,
#115
Hey pink I cant take the board off, the wires are soldered to rods on the board that are connected onto the casing.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#116
?
Can't you just unscrew it, leave the wires and just bend the wires upwards?

Whatever.

And a 3pdt just has another row of lugs, so yeah. Ignore one, no matter which.
As for the ground, if the PCB ground also connects to case at some point, yes it's fine. Remember that all the grounds need to be connected...so if you ground something to case, make sure the other grounds get to case too.
Grounding the case helps with RF interference too.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#117
EDIT: I think they probably do that on purpose so nobody tries to copy their design... but I could be wrong.

I'm pretty sure that the black wire you see in the pic below going to the pot is the ground wire. Because, from what I know all black wires are always ground, and excluding the black wire from the battery supply, the black wire going to the wah pot is the only black/ground wire.

Am I right to say that my wah is gounded from the wah pot, and that I should (when the new switch arrives in the mail) ground the switch to the wah pot? Or should I ground it some other way?

Thanks for the help Pink_Queen, you're helping me learn soo much stuff. I'd be friggin' clueless if it wasn't for you.

Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 22, 2006,
#118
Yea you got it he's very protective with his wah boards.
Amp:
Fender Blues Jr (GH1230 Celestion Speaker)
Pedals
Barber DD
Wilson WH-10 Clone
Ibanez WH10 V2

Pitchblack Tuner
Boss DD-3
Guitars: 06' Custom Fender Strat Lindy Fralin Blues Specials, Callaham Tremolo
09' Olympic White Stratocaster
#119
Yeah, it's ground.
I'm not very active here on UG currently.
I'm a retired Supermod off to the greener pastures of the real world.
#120
What gauge wires am I going to need for all this? Does it really matter? Cause I have assorted wires I took out from a crappy stereo I'm using to practice soldering, could I use some of those? I don't what gauge they are but when I compare them from the wires in my wah they seem to be just a tiny tiny bt smaller.
Hai UG!
Last edited by L_Z_Nut at Aug 23, 2006,