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#41
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What part?


I'll have to go back and listen to it again. I know at the end of the solo I heard a lick he used to return back to the normal chords that is straight out of one of SRV's songs. The solo itself is very SRV like about halfway through.
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#42
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Truthfully SRV sounds nothing like Hendrix to me, unless hes doing a Hendrix cover. SRV's solo style specifically is totally different.


that can be true, but more or less we were saying the licks are the same. and SRV most defintely had some of Hendrix's trick list in his bag. and everybody after SRV has a little bit of his in their bag. keep in mind, in no way am i bad mouthing SRV i LOVE his music. just being a guitarist there are influences everyone has and strives to master.
#43
You can see some of Hendrix's influence on SRV's "Life Without You"
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#44
At first I didnt care for mayer until I saw him play with buddy guy at Farm Aid. I was hooked. Then I started hearing some of his work with the John Mayer Trio. He is a extremely good player and I respect him fully. Not as good as SRV.. but hell who is?

BTW... i've never seem him use a pick... has anyone? I've tried that style.. but I find it somewhat complicated to get good sound on solo's without a pick. Personal preference of course.
#45
people come on. All the people on youtube who immitate are rip offs. John mayer compared to srv is 10 times different then srv compared to hendrix. So why is mayer a rip off then?

Bunch of babies around here; oh he plays srv lick, omg he's a rip off.

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#46
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people come on. All the people on youtube who immitate are rip offs. John mayer compared to srv is 10 times different then srv compared to hendrix. So why is mayer a rip off then?

Bunch of babies around here; oh he plays srv lick, omg he's a rip off.


What the hell are you talking about. All I stated was that I noticed hes def. influenced by SRV by his style. I never said he ripped him off.

Everyone rips everyone off. Hendrix ripped alot of people off.
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#47
ive seen him use a pick, and then put it in his mouth for the solo. on who did you think i was, check it on youtube its there. all in all hes a great player and he can portray his emotions through his guitar. isnt that wat blues are all about...?
#48
Check out some of Johns jazz licks on John Scofield's "What'd I Say" cd the songs "What'd I say" and "Don't Need No Doctor"
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#49
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What the hell are you talking about. All I stated was that I noticed hes def. influenced by SRV by his style. I never said he ripped him off.

Everyone rips everyone off. Hendrix ripped alot of people off.

He's just saying that alot of people rag on him by calling him a rip off of SRV just because of some licks, I honestly dont really hear alot of SRV influence in him to call him a ripoff like KWS or Los Lonely Boys IMHO.
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#51
I hear alot more Hendrix influence over SRV influence, maybe there was that "Lenny" lick on 2:02 on "Waiting on the World to Change" and some "Texas Flood" licks on the solo on "Covered in Rain". His tone is very Clapton esq'.

Also does anyone know if John is going to be getting back with the Trio for a new John Mayer Trio album?
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#52
^Continuum was a Trio album, it just wasn't listed as such.
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#53
most but not every song are played with S. Jordan and P. Paladino. the main difference is that J. Mayer wrote the songs on Continuum where as the originals on JMT were written by two, or all three of them.
#54
The JMT aren't really blues, either; they're much more of a neoclassic rock kind of sound.
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#55
i can't believe that this thread has so many positive comments, previous john mayer threads have been shot down in flames in this forum at least.

for me, i think the guy is incredibly talented regardless of musical genre. i don't like his pop stuff, but his blues and rock stuff is great. i really can't subscribe to the doctrine that says a blues player isn't allowed to play other styles of music.

i mean, come on, did hendrix play pure blues all the time? definitely not.
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#56
And I can't stand all the teenagers on this thread calling Mayer a style theif. Stealing is what blues musicians do. It's part of the blues tradition.

The greats are master theives. Robert Johnson's ".32-20 Blues" is unabashedly lifted straight from Skip James' ".22-20 blues". Eric Clapton's cover of "Walking Blues" is almost completely copied note-for-note from Muddy Waters' cover. Stealing is irrevocably stitched into the fabric of the blues.

I'll admit, however, that Mayer isn't much of an innovator, which is why posterity will never list him among the blues-rock guitar gods like Clapton, Hendrix, and SRV.
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#57
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i really can't subscribe to the doctrine that says a blues player isn't allowed to play other styles of music.


thats what im saying; he said he enjoys blues more, but that in no way means he is an acoustic singer-songwriter poser. maybe as i do he likes ALL of his music, pop stuff included.
#58
it seems like a lot of people don't understand the concept of writing new music. musicians basicly take all of the music they listen to, blend it up, and spit it out. waiting on the world to change doesn't just copy lenny, he copies multiple song riffs and melodies/harmonies(listen to curtis mayfield - people get ready) to create something original . this is what everyone does, incase you havn't noticed. the people that get credit for being "completely original" just change the tone or the sounds of it. hendrix was playing the same old blues scales, just louder and more aggressive with a splash of peace, love, and lsd trips.

john mayer is a blues/pop/soul guitarist/songwriter/singer who has a whole lot of talent and is just as original as anyone else out there. deal with it.
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#59
^ For the most part you're right.
I just can't seem to respect Mayer, he's too damn arrogant.
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#60
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people come on. All the people on youtube who immitate are rip offs. John mayer compared to srv is 10 times different then srv compared to hendrix. So why is mayer a rip off then?

Bunch of babies around here; oh he plays srv lick, omg he's a rip off.



Totally agree. I think we need an "ONLY John Mayer" Thread soon. I personally find him to be unoriginal after awhile, he needs to stop trying so hard to be a bluesman.

Anyone else agree?
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I look at John as a great blues guitarist, but as a commercial pop-artist.
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#63
I respect him as a guitar player, but i don't like his pop very much. And i got the feeling that he was more of a Clapton ripoff than a SRV ripoff on a lot of his songs.

EDIT: And i don't mean ripoff in a bad sense. I'm just saying he seems more Clapton influenced than SRV influenced on some stuff. The SRV influence is undoubtedly there, though.

EDIT II: There is one thing that we have to give to Mayer, though. He has some AMAZING gear.
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#64
He's very good, but his stuff with the John Mayer trio is such a blatant copy of Jimi Hendrix and SRV, you can't deny it. I mean, its not bad to be influenced, but to sound exactly like them down to the tone and style of playing is a bit much.
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#65
'gravity', 'i got a woman', 'dont need no doctor' i dont see it so much in songs like those. i mean the latter of the two are R. Charles covers if im not mistaken.
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I respect him as a guitar player, but i don't like his pop very much. And i got the feeling that he was more of a Clapton ripoff than a SRV ripoff on a lot of his songs.

EDIT: And i don't mean ripoff in a bad sense. I'm just saying he seems more Clapton influenced than SRV influenced on some stuff. The SRV influence is undoubtedly there, though.

EDIT II: There is one thing that we have to give to Mayer, though. He has some AMAZING gear.


I agree with the Clapton thing. Everyone says that he is a blatant SRV ripoff and he never came off that way to me. JMT was great but I dont really like his pop stuff. He is headed in the same path Clapton did, great guitarist but releases pop albums. But whatever if he likes it more power to him.

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^Only mods can start ONLY threads that why it was closed.

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#68
O ok thanks.
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You can ask a mod if you can start one, if they agree then you can start it up again
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EDIT: And i don't mean ripoff in a bad sense. I'm just saying he seems more Clapton influenced than SRV influenced on some stuff. The SRV influence is undoubtedly there, though.


The Clapton influence is his ability to take the blues idiom and make 'blues-pop' out of it.
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The Clapton influence is his ability to take the blues idiom and make 'blues-pop' out of it.




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#73
Yea he is trying to revive the blues, especially when he play Sweet Home Chicago on Conan when he didn't have anything to promote at the time.
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Yea he is trying to revive the blues, especially when he play Sweet Home Chicago on Conan when he didn't have anything to promote at the time.



i saw when he played that, it was good


(off topic but you think anyone can tab that or no)
#76
^Tab it exatcly down to every note, probably but it'll take alot of work, I think UG has the Sweet Home Chicago tab, just go from there.
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#77
There's no questioning his talent as a guitarist. As for the whole Hendrix/SRV ripoff thing, I can hear their influence but that doesn't make him a ripoff. He pulls it off well, it sounds good, it's not terribly original, but neither are a lot of blues players, that doesn't mean they aren't good. I have to say I'm surprised though, I expected 10X as many anti-Mayer posters.
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^ For the most part you're right.
I just can't seem to respect Mayer, he's too damn arrogant.


Blues guys are notorious for having huge egos. Lightnin' Hopkins remark to Billy Gibbons is an example of this; "Lightnin' change when Lightnin' want to." Apart from that Extra! interview where he said he's the only pop musician that can make the transition to blues and not lose fans, which I think is true, I haven't heard anything of the "I'm the shit" variety come out of his mouth. If he has though, please enlighten me.
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Apart from that Extra! interview where he said he's the only pop musician that can make the transition to blues and not lose fans, which I think is true, I haven't heard anything of the "I'm the shit" variety come out of his mouth. If he has though, please enlighten me.


thats all ive heard as well, hes a good guy. my bro was working security at a show and allowed him to come back after the show to talk. from what ive seen he respects the fans and appreciates all hes got going for him