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#1
I mean, they were just minding their own business and then BAM. Now they're like... basically the endangered species of the human race. Sorry i couldnt quite figure out how to make a poll
#3
Sometimes, but then I remember, "Oh, shit, if that hadn't happened, I very likely wouldn't be alive."
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#4
No I don't, what did I ever do to them? I suppose they feel "we" stole the land from "them"? As if they own it either...

Also I'm totally against Native Canadians getting "status" in the eyes of the government, it's ridiculous

edit: why do you feel sorry for them?

edit AGAIN: I'm basing this on native Canadians, I don't know what happens in the USA.
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#6
Do I feel bad that we came to North America and claimed land? No.

Do I feel bad that we sent them all away to reservations? Yes
#7
Indeed I do. Genocide much? Just as bad as the holocaust. But I guess their(of the indians) genocide wasnt as intentional the whole time..
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No I don't, what did I ever do to them? I suppose they feel "we" stole the land from "them"? As if they own it either...

Also I'm totally against Native Canadians getting "status" in the eyes of the government, it's ridiculous



what if some foreigner came to your house and you showed him how to get a job in america. then one day he decides to shoot your dad in the face cut off his genitals(<---- that's not a joke they did that to dead indians) and told you to leave your house, he felt that god told him he owns it. then it happened to all your friends and before you knew it, all your children had left were casinos. wouldnt you want people to feel sorry for you?
#9
We killed them with disease
But they get free tax and free university...how can you complain?? Sucess is at their fingertips, and they dont need to pay squat
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#10
Hey you guys this isnt funny, I live on a Native American Reservation and am a member of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe in South Dakota. Most of my friends are almost full blood (myself only being 1/32, just enough to be a member) and well ive seen alot of the stereotypes are true, like the drinking. But we dont need your sympathy, in fact what we need is respect.
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#11
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Indeed I do. Genocide much? Just as bad as the holocaust. But I guess their(of the indians) genocide wasnt as intentional the whole time..


What the hell do you guys do to native americans?!

In Canada they don't pay ANY tax, they can break laws and recieve little to no punishment because of our current political stand towards them, and they can claim whatever land they want as theirs. Honestly, if they ask - our government gives it to them.

I hope this doesn't make me come off as a jerk or ignorant - this is the image the media presents to us...

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what if some foreigner came to your house and you showed him how to get a job in america. then one day he decides to shoot your dad in the face cut off his genitals(<---- that's not a joke they did that to dead indians) and told you to leave your house, he felt that god told him he owns it. then it happened to all your friends and before you knew it, all your children had left were casinos. wouldnt you want people to feel sorry for you?


Look, I don't advocate violence of any kind, from or towards anyone. In Canada they are like "super citizens" and treated, supposedly, very well. It's hardly my fault if the American government suppresses their culture.
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#12
It was the greatest land grab rapagge of all time. That's natural selection at work again though. Imagine what the western hemisphere would be like if europeans hadn't gotten here until say the early 1800's. Vastly different I think. Probably a few more countries some of which would be made up of "pure" Native Americans.
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Hey you guys this isnt funny, I live on a Native American Reservation and am a member of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe in South Dakota. Most of my friends are almost full blood (myself only being 1/32, just enough to be a member) and well ive seen alot of the stereotypes are true, like the drinking. But we dont need your sympathy, in fact what we need is respect.


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#15
No. Should I?
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#16
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respect is earned not givin


Theyve done nothing to make others stop respecting.
They were the ones who were wronged...
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#17
I would, but their damn casinos take all my money
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#19
I definitely feel bad for them. They were one of few human cultures to ever come close to living in harmony with nature, and they were just suddenly displaced and sometimes killed or enslaved.
#20
Yeah I feel sorry that they were pushed off their land like that, but i had nothing to do with that nor did my ancestors
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#21
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#23
Yes, but war is war and they are no different from the hundreds of other civilizations that were destroyed by more powerful civilizations in history.
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Yes, but war is war and they are no different from the hundreds of other civilizations that were destroyed by more powerful civilizations in history.

Yeah, but they still exist, don't they?
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Yes, but war is war and they are no different from the hundreds of other civilizations that were destroyed by more powerful civilizations in history.


yeah but not only was their civilization destroyed, but their race and culture as well. they lost alot more than people realize. what really burns me is the way it happened though. Europeans come so lost and alone, Indians help, Europeans slowly but surely spread like wild fire, then continuously lie to the indians. bleh a straight up total war would have been more acceptable, but that's just my opinion.
#26
Look at it this way, there is not ONE single country, that England has settled that didn't end in bloodshed of the original inhabitants:

America and its Indians, Africa and the Zulus, New Zealand and the Maoris, Australia and the Aboriginals, India and its indigenous, and on and on and on.
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#27
Native Americans are a group of people that have a culture of their own. Wasn't that one of the arguements Jews gave for their right to Israel?
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Look at it this way, there is not ONE single country, that England has settled that didn't end in bloodshed of the original inhabitants:

America and its Indians, Africa and the Zulus, New Zealand and the Maoris, Australia and the Aboriginals, India and its indigenous, and on and on and on.


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#29
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yeah but not only was their civilization destroyed, but their race and culture as well. they lost alot more than people realize. what really burns me is the way it happened though. Europeans come so lost and alone, Indians help, Europeans slowly but surely spread like wild fire, then continuously lie to the indians. bleh a straight up total war would have been more acceptable, but that's just my opinion.

No it wasn't, they still exist. And the natives were not only fighting amongst each other, but fought European settlers too. It's not a total case of "evil white man wipes out poor, innocent natives who only wanted to be friends". Like I said, war is war, but it happened and you can't reverse the outcome or the events.
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#30
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No it wasn't, they still exist. And the natives were not only fighting amongst each other, but fought European settlers too. It's not a total case of "evil white man wipes out poor, innocent natives who only wanted to be friends". Like I said, war is war, but it happened and you can't reverse the outcome or the events.


Yeah, but the fact that you can't change what happened doesn't make me feel OK about the Holocaust. The Native Americans were fighting to defend themselves, just like you'd fight to defend yourself if some other country invaded the US. Hell, we INVADE other countries to "defend" ourselves. Of course the Indians fought the settlers.

EDIT: Sorry, if someone invaded Canada.
#31
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Yeah, but they still exist, don't they?


So you're saying...?

If the had been totally wiped out "way back when", we wouldn't be having this moral dilemma?

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Well if you live in North America you're still taking advantage of what happened. That goes for anyone else who thinks like you do.


I understand what you mean, but am I suppose to feel badly about the fact that I am "taking advantage of the situation"? The entire country pays tax so I can go to school for free, and I don't feel bad about taking advantage of that situation. I understand that those two events are very different; I made a bit a leap
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Yeah, but they still exist, don't they?


Jews still exist, so I guess we shouldn't feel sorry for the Holocaust either.

What the Europeans did to the Americas (remember, they did more than just North America) is, in my opinion, no different than what Nazi Germany did to the Jews.

EDIT: And yes, I feel sorry for the Native Americans.
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#33
You mean the ones that own the Hard Rock?
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#34
Nope. Same way i dont feel sorry for the Australian Aboriginals
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#36
I feel bad for the Native Americans living right now. The past is irreversible. But when I was driving through the Navajo reservation in the southwest, they are far below our standard of living.
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#37
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Jews still exist, so I guess we shouldn't feel bad for the Holocaust either.

I was arguing for the native Americans.
But on your point, why should i feel bad for the holocaust?
I sympathize, but is in no way my fault.
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#38
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