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#41
yeah, its pretty well perfect for 80's thrash.
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#42
The MG part could use some more biased opinions, to scare the n00blets off from buying it.
#43
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yeah, its pretty well perfect for 80's thrash.


alright I'm going to look out for that one too...

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+1
#44
I have 2 questions about the DSL401, not considering buying it I already have it but I have querys...

First, volume. its (only?) 40 watts but then again is a tube. Whats its limits gonna be? I bought it with the intention of gigs, could you tell me what kind of gigs its gonna do the job for?

And last, which is pretty much related to the first, Cabs/speakers. If I do need more volume what cabs/speakers are available to me?

Cheers.
#45
any cabs or speakers basically.its got a ohms switch...


40 watts is fairly low. i'd say up to 50-100 people unmiced i guess.
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#46
sofubar-

During a gig, I will be suprised if you can get it past 3. Its going to be incredibly loud and easily compete in volume with a 100w solid state amp.

If its a combo, then you dont need another cab. If you want it to sound louder, get speakers with dB ratings at 100dB and up. Most good Celestions are 100dB and easily sound much louder than most amp's stock 95dB speakers. Your Marshall may be loaded with nice Celestions though.
#47
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Well Gabe has owned a majority of different tube Marshalls, other people have helped by giving him info. You dont deserve a Marshall if you think this correct Marshall info is stupid. *Maybe the MG though


Yeap ive been trhough alot of them. Heres a list of the ones ive owned:
JCM900 2501 SL-X combo
JCM800 4210 Dual Channel JCM800, loved this amp, only the Plexi beated this traded for a head though, since it was annoying to lug the speaker in combo aorund when i only used the amp part mostly.
JCM900 4500 Dual Reverb: Was to modern in tone for me.

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#48
Someone (or a group) needs to make an ongoing chart that basically organizes the marshall amps with the styles of music they do well and don't do well. I will volunteer to be apart of this group. Here's is a rough example of the chart


-The first step is to gather the people.....
-next, decide which amps and music to represent. (there's no need to break metal down into the 60 million sub genre's)
-then lastly, we all fill out the chart and try to agree what is what


List:
-Gutch220
- False_God
- call1800ksmyazz
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#50
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Well Gabe has owned a majority of different tube Marshalls, other people have helped by giving him info. You dont deserve a Marshall if you think this correct Marshall info is stupid. *Maybe the MG though


What the hell? "Gabe has owned and tried many amps. He's opinion MUST BE CORRECT! Even if his soundtaste differs from mine, HE CAN ONLY BE CORRECT!"

And I own a Marshall, and many of the things Gabe wrote I agree on, but that doesn't change tha fact that his first post was purely his own opinnion! There's nothing here to duscuss really.
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#51
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What the hell? "Gabe has owned and tried many amps. He's opinion MUST BE CORRECT! Even if his soundtaste differs from mine, HE CAN ONLY BE CORRECT!"

And I own a Marshall, and many of the things Gabe wrote I agree on, but that doesn't change tha fact that his first post was purely his own opinnion! There's nothing here to duscuss really.


Well why not add your own opinion to the thread so that Gabel can add it into his post! It'd be nice to have different opinions in there.
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#52
Nice, once I get enough money for a nice Marshall, I'll think of this thread .
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#53
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Well why not add your own opinion to the thread so that Gabel can add it into his post! It'd be nice to have different opinions in there.


OMG, pls, read my post again. I wrote, and I quote; "...And I own a Marshall, and many of the things Gabe wrote I agree on, but that doesn't change tha fact that his first post was purely his own opinnion! There's nothing here to duscuss really."
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#54
OK, I need 21 categories of music to judge the amps on. Here some ideas. feel free to give your opinions for adding, removing, changing, etc. the categories

1- overall cleans
2- overall OD/crunch
3- overall distortion
4- classic rock
5- hard rock
6- modern rock
7- classic metal
8- modern metal
9- grunge
10- "nu-metal"
11- jazz
12- versatility
13- etc
14- etc
15- etc
16-
17-
18-
19-
20-
21-

PM me if you have good experience with one or more marshall amps and would like to contribute your objective opinions/experience.

If you are a noob and just got an MG for christmas and think it pwns, you need not apply.

of all marshall amps, I have the most experience with JCM 800's and JCM 900 dual reverbs so I need other people with other experiences


Here is the list of amps:

- JTM 45/Bluesbreaker
- JTM 50/100
- Major
- JMP (non-master volume "plexi-face")
- JMP (master volume)
- JCM 800 (single channel)
- JCM 800 (dual channel/jubilee's)
- JCM 900 Dual Reverbs
- JCM 900 Hi-Gain Master Volume
- JCM 900 SL-X
- JCM 2000 DSL
- JCM 2000 TSL
- Valvestate
- Mode Four
- AVT
- MG
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#55
Muhhhh.

To be honest, I don't feel a thread just for a few opinions on Marshalls warrant a stickied thread. If someone wants to do some extra write ups on Fender amps, explaining the differences in Silverface, Blackface, Bassman, etc., we could combine the two threads.. and yeah..

Sorry man, no sticky yet. Talk to TPQ, and if he wants to sticky it, then alright.

You're also missing ALL of the Marshall rack gear, as far as I can tell.

Edit: I didn't read anything past the first post, so I don't know what's going on up there. ^
#56
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OMG, pls, read my post again. I wrote, and I quote; "...And I own a Marshall, and many of the things Gabe wrote I agree on, but that doesn't change tha fact that his first post was purely his own opinnion! There's nothing here to duscuss really."


OMG, pls stfu. If you don't like the post being his own opinion, GIVE HIM YOURS AND ASK HIM TO PUT IT IN THERE. He has Joel's opinion on the DSL401 in there, I'm sure he'd like yours in there aswell.

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#57
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Someone (or a group) needs to make an ongoing chart that basically organizes the marshall amps with the styles of music they do well and don't do well. I will volunteer to be apart of this group. Here's is a rough example of the chart


-The first step is to gather the people.....
-next, decide which amps and music to represent. (there's no need to break metal down into the 60 million sub genre's)
-then lastly, we all fill out the chart and try to agree what is what


List:
-Gutch220
-False_God
-
-
-
-

I likey this idea.
I have taking the liberty of putting my name down lol..
#61
Gutch count me in

Ill do
- JTM 45/Bluesbreaker
- JMP (non-master volume "plexi-face")
- JCM 800 (dual channel/jubilee's)
- JCM 900 Dual Reverbs
- JCM 900 SL-X
- Valvestate

And ill do both series 1 and 2 VS's to.


Genres we shoudl add are blues, heavy blues (since it's i find it somewhere between classic rock and blues) and possibly hair metal.
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#62
Ok, you can do those if you feel you can do them good. Remember the main thing is to be completely objective and identify the strengths and weaknesses. Other people can also rate these amps. My goal is to get a few people for each amp and take them into consideration when making a final chart. I want to avoid "fanboy" reviews and people with little experience with these amps.

but yea, feel free to take your time and really think about how you rate them. I am bunching the two valvestates together.

I'm almost done compiling the table with the amps and the criteria. When this is done I will make a thread about this in order to organize people/amps. There will be 16 amps with 21 different criteria. The ratings will be "Great", "Good", "OK", and "Bad" each with it's own color.
#63
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oh hey Joel have you tried a JTM60?


if it's the one I'm thinking of ( i can't remember if it was a jtm 60 or jcm600, or they may even be different versions of the same thing), I didn't like it much- the clean channel was ok, but the overdrive channel was poor, too modern/scooped sounding to my ears, not smooth or refined enough.

as for gutch's idea- I think it's a good idea.

I definitely think though that a few different versions of metal warrant being up there- it should at least be split into classic (e.g. black sabbath), 80's (NWOBHM/Thrash/Hair Metal) and Modern, since metal is what a lot of the guys here play, and what's more, those differing styles of metal need vastly different amps to attain the tone.

I'll take the AVT. It should get "bad" in every category. Oh, and you should have "terrible" as well, to make there an equal number of positive and negative characteristics.

Actually, change that to all "terrible" for the AVT. perhaps with cleans being "OK", and classic rock being "bad". And that's being charitable (I assume everything labelled "terrible" won't fly? )
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#64
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Gutch count me in

Ill do
- JTM 45/Bluesbreaker
- JMP (non-master volume "plexi-face")
- JCM 800 (dual channel/jubilee's)
- JCM 900 Dual Reverbs
- JCM 900 SL-X
- Valvestate

And ill do both series 1 and 2 VS's to.


Genres we shoudl add are blues, heavy blues (since it's i find it somewhere between classic rock and blues) and possibly hair metal.


You could call "heavy blues" "blues rock" perhaps? Unless I misunderstand what you mean by heavy blues...

blues should definitely be up there, I think I mentioned that to gutch in his pm.

I agree with hair metal, but i think the same amp style/tone could be used near enough for hair metal/NWOBHM/thrash, so they could all go under the one category. That is, if we agree with gutch's fascist idea of metal genres.

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#65
If you want some "good" ( ) opinions on the MG, pm TGM (check his review in the reviews section for his POV).
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#66
^ noooo!

I hadn't looked in there for a while. Turns out the krankenstein has a review of 10, and the revolution a review of 9.9.



EDIT: i think i need counselling after seeing so many positive MG reviews in the one place.
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#67
These are the genres tha thsould added (all in all):
50's Rock & Roll/ Rockabilly
Blues
Heavy Blues/ Blues Rock/ Psychdelic Blues
Hair Metal/ NWOBM
Thrash metal

Plus we should add terrible as Dave suggested.

And how about these colours:
Blue= Great
Green= Good
Yellow= Ok
Orange= Bad
Red= Terrible
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#68
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if it's the one I'm thinking of ( i can't remember if it was a jtm 60 or jcm600, or they may even be different versions of the same thing), I didn't like it much- the clean channel was ok, but the overdrive channel was poor, too modern/scooped sounding to my ears, not smooth or refined enough.

well that's ok dave I really some fancy scooped too anyways...

and Gabe I think you should add some genre of the side of Punks and alternative too...
anyways very good idea on the ratings... (we should really give the MG the most terrible on
overall perfomance and stuff)
#69
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Actually, change that to all "terrible" for the AVT. perhaps with cleans being "OK", and classic rock being "bad". And that's being charitable (I assume everything labelled "terrible" won't fly? )



Ah cmon , that really arent that bad. Overpriced yes, terrible no :P


And no im not biased, I dont like my AVT either... swapped it for a dsl-401 asap
#70
Well ive done mine
Legend:
Blue: Great
Green: Good
Yellow: Ok
Orange: Bad
Red: Terrible

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#72
I'd say the MG would get "Bad" for the cleans and "Terrible" for everything else.

Thats about all my input for this thread
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#73
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^ noooo!

I hadn't looked in there for a while. Turns out the krankenstein has a review of 10, and the revolution a review of 9.9.



EDIT: i think i need counselling after seeing so many positive MG reviews in the one place.


The MG30DFX has 8/10 for reliability.
#75
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well that's ok dave I really some fancy scooped too anyways...





And Gabe: perhaps change "OK" to "Average" or "Mediocre", and "Bad" to "Poor", just to make it a little more professional-looking?
Nice choice of genres, too- perhaps combine "modern metal" with "metalcore"? Just to make it plain kind of what tone we mean by "modern metal"? Oh, and I just noticed- we don't have "shred" up there!

Anyway, here's what I think of the AVT (Valvestate 2, i guess?)

overall cleans: yellow (they aren't that bad...)
overall crunch: orange
overall distortion: red
pedal friendly: red (try boosting the OD channels and you'll see- it cuts out!)
Versatility: orange
Blues: Orange
Jazz: Yellow
50's: Orange
Blues Rock: Orange
Classic Rock: Orange
70's metal: Red
Classic Punk: Orange
Hair Metal: Red
Thrash: Orange
Hard Rock: Red
Modern Rock: Orange
Grunge: Orange
Pop-punk: Orange
Modern Metal: Red
Nu-Metal: Yellow

Bear in mind, I don't play all of those genres, so some of those might not be all that accurate! I was being charitable, too- I figure a list of reds will only enforce the opinion that UG is a "jump-on-the-bandwagon" community. But if you guys want to give it a worse rating, then I'm fine with that too, lol.


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#76
OK, thanks...... the table I'm creating will only have 4 ratings and much less music genre's because some of those are so specific that there's no way the rating will be significantly different. I am trying to consolidate and simplifiy things. None-the-less I can still take your opinions into consideration in reguards to the chart.

I will make a thread later when I get home stating the amps and the criteria. There are about 16 amps, and 21 different criteria (only about 10 music genre's)
#77
^ yeah, it probably is getting a bit squashed- i still say we need 3 for metal, though- classic, 80's (inc. thrash, hair and NWOBHM), and modern. more than that probably isn't necessary, though.

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#78
Well same aplies to me, what i think might sound numetal will sound cr*p for alot fo people. Also keep in mind when i thought about grunge i was thinking more like Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
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#80
Which marshall amp is the best for like, 80's and modern metal like old megadeth, old slayer, old old metallica, and 90's pantera stuff. maybe even some anthrax? which amp also has some good cleans with a metal amp? (Marshall)
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