Poll: How long is too long? (CR solos)
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30 seconds is quite alright.
7 5%
No more than a minute.
13 9%
A few minutes is fine.
34 24%
Five minutes is pushing it.
21 15%
Ten minutes tops.
12 8%
Twenty minutes tops.
3 2%
Thirty minutes tops.
2 1%
I don't see what the problem is. I have all day.
52 36%
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Maet
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#1
Perhaps it's just me, but I absolutely hate solos in classic rock songs that last longer than a few minutes. It seems to be that everyone in here thinks "the longer, the better". I just read a post in the Cream thread here that compared Hendrix-esque 20 minutes guitar solos to Clapton-esque 20 minute guitar solos. And then there's the drum solo. Moby Dick barely classifies as a song if you ask me.

My question is, personally, can a classic rock solo ever be too long?
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#3
i love the long clapton solo's
i agree with you on some points though......when the long solo gets repetitive its time to stop...but some guys(id use clapton as an example) keep changin it up and dont get "boring"
and yea...20 min drum solos............unless its peart then its not really worth my time
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#4
I suppose days would be a long time. It depends on the guitarist. Hendrix and Clapton could get away with 20 minute solos, I couldnt.
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#5
20 minute solos? I'd only listen to that if it could be done in such a way that it was in NO WAY repetitive... meaning it should feel like 6 or 7 different songs, but strung together really well.
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#6
anything more than 5 minutes is ****ing ridiculous. the only one i can stand is freebird and thats draws out a bit.
the whole point of a song is the hooks and melody not some twat showing off how much theory he knows or how many licks he can play
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#7
My favorite guitar solo of all time goes to Highway Star, Deep Purple (live version, of course). Which lasts no more than a minute and a half, so there goes my vote. Also it depends: Studio solos need to be shorter, but Live versions can be much longer, especially if they involve the audience somehow, or are actually *performing*, not just *playing*.
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#8
Quote by Xerothunder
20 minute solos? I'd only listen to that if it could be done in such a way that it was in NO WAY repetitive... meaning it should feel like 6 or 7 different songs, but strung together really well.


yeah, you dont as often find 20 mins of the guitarist soloing over the same pattern, they usually go through phases.... the led zep live version of whole lotta love (usually around 25 mins) is actually a medly of loads of blues songs
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#9
On an album, five minutes is definitely pushing it. Live, however, I got all day. Especially when the guitarist is Pagey or one of the greats.
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#10
The more jazz-influenced artists tend to make longer solos that interest me more. Traffic, Duane Allman, people like that. And even then, more than a few minutes really pushes it.

The main problem for me is that so much of extended CR soloing is several minutes on one pentatonic scale over a stale background, without much dynamic contrast.
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#11
I tend to dislike drum solos to begin with (theres a few every now and then that I do like though). That being said, I absolutely think Moby Dick went on for too long when played live.

And really, it depends on who's playing. Sometimes Jimmy Page gets a little carried away. I think the same for Neil Young. I love the Grateful Dead, but I even think Jerry takes it a little too far on some songs (not all, but a few). But then again, I could listen to some guitarists all day. Namely Rory Gallagher, David Gilmour, Frank Zappa, Joe Walsh, Joe Perry/Brad Whitford. Oh yeah, Duane Allman is great as well.
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#12
Anything over 20 minutes is a little long for me, but I have quite a bit of tolerance for long solos since I listen to a lot of progressive rock.
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#13
I don't know, but solo's don't relly bother me. I love listening to them. I can pick up on them easily so i can learn just by listening. I can play a solo all day. That's what rock is all about.
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#14
About solos? I enjoy being a lead player, and believe you me, I love soloing but rocks is definitely not about solos, at least 98% of it anyway.
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#15
It completely depends on what the song is, who the guitarist is and what the situation is. Sometimes live you get stuck into solos and can cope better with them going on for two or three minutes, if you're doing some real attentive listening of a CD then anything past a minute tends to make me change my focus, but then some songs are basically one long solo and listenable. Generally though I'd say any solo that is actually a break in a song longer than two minutes is too long, but like I say, there's exceptions.
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#16
It depends on the musicians. I can stand the long Deep Purple jams and some of the longer Clapton ones. Most CR musicians get a little carried away and repetitive though.
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#17
To me, it's not so much a matter of how long it is, as whether it is a well-composed solo that both fits the music, enhances it, and also holds your interest.

I agree that a lot of solos are longer than they should be, but at the same time, there are some solos that leave me breathless, are over, and yet have me asking for more.
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#18
I don't care how long it is, as long as its of high quality.
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#19
As long as it's good, i'll listen to a solo even if it's 5 hours long.
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As long as it's good, i'll listen to a solo even if it's 5 hours long.


yea...
i never want a clapton live solo to end.
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#21
I'd say about 7 minutes is the maximum limit...I mean if you're sitting there playing a solo with a band they're gonna get a little bored playing the same thing whilst you're playing for above that...Instrumentals are an exception however (I couldn't live without Atom Heart Mother's 23:36 minute goodness)
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#22
Their are certain bands with guitarist that i could listen to a solo all day long, Phish and the Grateful Dead are two of them, yet their are still bands where after 5 minutes it just gets boring, although i do not like studio solos over 5 minutes, in order for it to be a good solo the guitarist really needs to connect to the crowd.
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#23
It really depends on the band and the situation. If its live and a great band like the Allmans, Cream, Phish, the Dead, Zeppelin, or Hendrix, their respective guitarists could solo the whole time for all I care. I would still enjoy it. But for a normal band live 4 to 5 minutes is the maximum.

On a studio record, between 4 to 5 minutes for most bands. If it goes over that, well than thats excessive.
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#25
The Clapton and Hendrix solos are amazing, but after a little while they full in a sort of lull. I always thought that tastier leads like K. K. Downing and Glen Tipton use have longer lasting effects on the memory because they usually cut them down to only one or two minutes.

*Even though Judas Priest does break this rule in a couple of songs(Beyond the Realms of Death) they still put a little more diversity to their leads.
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#26
Quote by Maet
Perhaps it's just me, but I absolutely hate solos in classic rock songs that last longer than a few minutes. It seems to be that everyone in here thinks "the longer, the better". I just read a post in the Cream thread here that compared Hendrix-esque 20 minutes guitar solos to Clapton-esque 20 minute guitar solos. And then there's the drum solo. Moby Dick barely classifies as a song if you ask me.

My question is, personally, can a classic rock solo ever be too long?




are you kidding me
long solos are what shaped classic rock into what it has become
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#27
When they streach them out too long, I don't like it as much, I get bored, 3-4 minutes at the most can stay allright with me, not getting bored.
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Quote by thunderbass15

are you kidding me
long solos are what shaped classic rock into what it has become


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#29
Quote by thunderbass15

are you kidding me
long solos are what shaped classic rock into what it has become



One of the dumbest statements I've seen on the forums, and thats saying something. Kudos for that one.
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#30
Quote by andrewbiles
It completely depends on what the song is, who the guitarist is and what the situation is. Sometimes live you get stuck into solos and can cope better with them going on for two or three minutes, if you're doing some real attentive listening of a CD then anything past a minute tends to make me change my focus, but then some songs are basically one long solo and listenable. Generally though I'd say any solo that is actually a break in a song longer than two minutes is too long, but like I say, there's exceptions.


Pretty much my thoughts exactly, actually. It really depends on the guitarist in question and the situation.
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Get rid of solos. All together, they're just a chance for artists too show off. That's what Jazz is for.
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It depends. I can listen to a live jam a lot longer than I can listen to a studio version.
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Get rid of solos. All together, they're just a chance for artists too show off. That's what Jazz is for.


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Quote by Derigiberble
Get rid of solos. All together, they're just a chance for artists too show off. That's what Jazz is for.


yeah, jimi hendrix shows off way too much, he should get rid of the solos in his songs...
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#36
Oh sorry, am I not allowed an opinion no? I don't really care for guitar solos unless they're tastefully done, which in classic rock they rarely are. I like jams and I love breakdowns in songs, but that's all a solo should be, a breakdown, not a 2 minute wank fest.
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#37
of course your allowed an opinion, it just that i disagree with it.

Although I agree that the artists do show off, I think thats part of what classic rock is/was, pushing boundries and that...
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#38
I'd hardly say a minor pentatonic solo pushed boundaries in music, particularly seen as all they were doing was mimicking old blues artists playing. They were hardly original.
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