#1
I want a 50 watt mesa head. I have found two, the F-50 and the Single Rectifier. I know the sound of the rect pretty well, but not the F-50. How would you compare/contrast them? Is one of them better than the other in all areas, and an overall better choice, or would it really depend on my style?
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#2
Well, the Dual Rectifier is 100watts. IMO, the overall better choice would be the Dual Recto solo head. But youd have to get a speaker cab as well. If you want a combo, go for the F-50. Wattage doesnt matter all that much.
#3
A dual rectifier is 100 watts.. and a little out of the league of the F-50 I'd assume.. You mean a single rectifier?
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#4
He might be planning on having two tubes pulled all the time... And the F-50 doesn't come as a head, does it?
#5
^yes, it comes as a head, according to the website.
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#6
whoops, I said dual rectifier int eh post, but meant single rectifier like I said in the title. silly me.

The F-50 comes as a head, I found some on ebay. The dual rectifier is a bit too much, 100 watts is way too loud for me. 50 watts is easier to get better tones at lower volumes. I already have a marshall head/cab but I don't like the head and want a mesa instead.
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#7
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He might be planning on having two tubes pulled all the time...


That is strange as hell...

"Yeah, I'm going to buy that amp, and never run it with a full set of tubes."

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#8
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That is strange as hell...

"Yeah, I'm going to buy that amp, and never run it with a full set of tubes."


though that makes no sense in this context, I actually considered that once while thinking of ways to make a blues jr dorm-friendly.

back on topic: I fixed my question, so now it might make more sense. I didn't mean dual rect.
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#9
Just trying to make sense of it, seeing as he said he wanted a 50w head and the Dual Rec is 100
#10
now that things are straight, any ideas?
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#11
i'd go with the recto. the f doesn't have much gain at all, to me anyway.
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#12
well, you love gains and mids, so I'm gonna have to side with you on this one. That's the sound I want. Is the recto really tight? Did that question make sense? and How are the cleans?
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#14
^Rectifier cleans actually sound pretty good, to me. It's no fender but I like the cleans a lot to be honest.

EDIT: I don't know about single rectifiers though, the cleans on a 2 channel amp may not be as good, especially since you have less headroom. So I guess I actually don't know cause I've never played a single.
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#15
That's what I've heard. I'm not expecting a fender or anything. I know that Tomas Kalnoky uses one in Streetlight Manifesto (ska), and plays lots of clean barres with it and it sounds fine to me. Will the cleans at least be as good as or better than my AVT?
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#16
Hm like I said, I havn't played a 2 channel dual or a single, but I know that the cleans on a regular dual (to me) could probably destroy an AVT.. but even though an AVT is (pretty much) SS it's still no Jazz Chorus or anything...
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#17
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well, you love gains and mids, so I'm gonna have to side with you on this one. That's the sound I want. Is the recto really tight? Did that question make sense? and How are the cleans?

the single recto was actually rather tight. i really liked it.
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#18
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^Rectifier cleans actually sound pretty good, to me. It's no fender but I like the cleans a lot to be honest.

You have a Road King tho
#19
Is the road king much better? Does it come in 50 watts? I've heard a bit about it, and was wondering how it compares.
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#20
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You have a Road King tho


I do have a Road King, but 1) it's a Series 1, not the Series 2 (the ones that have the Lone Star clean channel) and 2) I played regular Dual Rectifiers MANY times before I actually would up with my Road King because I intended to get a Dual Rectifier Solo head.

EDIT: To sid...

The Road King is really an amazing amp, but expensive... It has 4 6L6's and 2 EL34's with the ability to assign a combination of tubes to each channel, and this makes it switchable to 50, 100, or 120 (I think) watts. It would be 50 watts in the 2xEL34 or 2x6L6 modes, AFAIK.

Channel 1 on a new Road King (2006 or later I think) is the clean channel off the Lone Star amplifier, and is amazing from what I hear. I was pretty impressed with the clean channel on mine, so I can't imagine how good the Lone Star cleans must be.

Channel 2 is pretty much the same as Channel 1, I just use mine for a little bit more gain for classic rock-esque tones.

The 2 distortion channels (3 and 4) are basically a dual rectifier, but you have the option of choosing the power tubes for each channel and each channel has it's own control for tube/solid state rectification.
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#21
Quote by Sid McCall
Is the road king much better? Does it come in 50 watts? I've heard a bit about it, and was wondering how it compares.

The new Road Kings are the king of all Mesa amps..IMO. Theyre basically every amp Mesa put out all in one package.

Personally dude, and dont take offense to this, it might be a bit much for you to handle. Not to mention theyre like 2,500USD...
#22
Yeh its too much for me to handle :\ also, for the record... the difference between the volume of 50 and 100 tube watts isn't really that noticable... if you have it cranked enough to push the power tubes, it's loud either way.

The difference... isn't that much.
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#25
lol I wasn't being sarcastic... I was actually agreeing with you. It's a lot to take in. It already seems to take an enormous amount of toying to really learn mesa amplifiers. When you add in the options of the Road King... there's a lot to take in.. too many possibilities. It's going to take me a LOOOONG time to really know the amp.
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#26
^

Which makes me think that a simpler amp would be better for the TS..

Maybe a Marshall DSL?
#27
simple amp? 5150.
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#28
I've heard a lot of people complaining about the road kind because when transporting it, a couple of knobs get bumped and it takes them half an hour to get it back to normal...
#29
that's why you gotta get a flight case for it.


which only adds to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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#30
I definitley need a simple amp. I know nothing about the road king, so I aksed. I thought the single recto would be pretty simple. I really love mesa distortion, so I'm kind of avoiding marshall.
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#32
^not for cleans though, at least not from the little experience I have.
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#36
Im kinda in the same boat as the OP. Ive played a bunch of marshalls and some peavys but the rectifier modern distortion channel rubs me just the right way

I dont think i need the 100 watts of headroom and the 2nd od channel isnt that big a deal so im probably going to get the single head. Other than the watts and the 3rd channel youre just loosing a few tweaking bells and whistles on the back (no solid state rectification and not as many output options as far as i can tell). If i can scrape together the money im pretty sure ill drop it on the single unless i find a persuasive arguement to go for the dual.
#37
ENGL powerball/ blackmore/ screamer?
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#38
^ he said simple.

in that case the single recto would be great for you. you want a simple recto, the solo 50 single recto for you.
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