#1
you know how there are boxes for the minor pentatonic, like

|1-------4|
|1-------4|
|1----3---|
|1----3---|
|1----3---|
|1-------4|

are there boxes for the harmonic minor? i heard that there are 7 boxes because there are 7 positions. If there are boxes, can you show me how they look like?
#3
Hmm... well, this is a shape...

E|-0---------|
B|-0-1-----4-|
G|-0---2-----|
D|---1-2---4-|
A|-0---2-3---|
E|-0---2-3---|

E harmonic minor, two octaves from E to E. It's difficult to confine yourself to "boxes" when you get scales like these.
#4
I believe if you start at the first open E string and go to the D string on the second fret, that pattern can be moved up and down the neck and still be harmonic minor.
#5
A Harmonic Minor: (1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7)


E--------7--8-----10-
B-----6--------9--10-
G--5-----7-----9-----
D-----6--7-----9-----
A--5-----7--8--------
E--5-----7--8--------


B Locrian natural 6: (1-b2-b3-4-b5-6-b7)


E-----8-----10--12---
B--------9--10--12---
G--7-----9--10-------
D--7-----9--10-------
A--7--8---------11---
E--7--8-----10-------


C Ionian #5: (1-2-3-4-#5-6-7)


E-------10-----12--13
B-------10-----12--13
G-----9-10---------13
D-----9-10-----12----
A--8-------11--12----
E--8----10-----12----


D Lydian Minor: (1-2-b3-#4-5-6-b7)


E---------12--13--------16
B---------12--13-----15---
G--10---------13-14-------
D--10-----12-----14-------
A-----11--12-----14-------
E--10-----12--13----------


E Phrygian Dominant: (1-b2-3-4-5-b6-b7)


E------13----------16--17
B------13------15------17
G------13--14------16----
D--12------14--15--------
A--12------14--15--------
E--12--13----------16----


F Lydian #2: (1-#2-3-#4-5-6-7)


E--------------16--17------19
B----------15------17--18----
G------14------16--17--------
D------14--15----------18----
A------14--15------17--------
E--13----------16--17--------


G# Superlocrian bb7/Altered: (1-b2-#2-3-b5-#5-bb7) or (1-b2-#2-3-b5-#5-6)


E----------17-----19--20---
B----------17-18---------21
G------16--17-----19-------
D--15---------18--19-------
A--15------17-----19-------
E------16--17-----19-------


All of the modes have several different names, none of which are the official ones. I just used these because IMO, it's easy to figure out how they're different from their major mode counterparts. Don't just learn them to learn them: build chords from them and improvise over them. Experiment!!
#6
^ thanks man. so all the positions of the harmonic minor are modes? and if E is my root note for harmonic scale, then i would have F locrian, G ionian, A Lydian, B phrygian, C lydian 2, D superlocrian?
#7
You're confusing a lot of different things. Just because you're playing in a certain position doesn't mean that you're playing a certain mode. I just posted them with the names to make them easier to learn, and differentiate between, so that you know that you're learning 7 new scales instead of just one, and each has to be used differently. It all depends on the notes that you're playing. Also, remember that none of these modes are derived from the major scale, so you're not going to have all natural notes. You have to follow the formulas of scales.

If you wanted to analyze E harmonic minor, you would have:
(1) E Harmonic Minor
(2) F# Locrian natural 6
(b3) G Ionian #5
(4) A Lydian Minor
(5) B Phrygian Dominant
(b6) C Lydian #2
(7) D# Altered

But to really completely learn these modes, you should be able to play every mode based on every note. The two most used of these modes are Harmonic Minor and Phrygian Dominant, so I would say start with those and progress from there. Keep improvising. There are a lot of cool sounds among these modes.
#8
Quote by titopuente


A Harmonic Minor: (1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7)....



Good post.

Those are actually the 3 note per string finger positions. There are others, but
those are the ones I like to use.

One way to understand a scale is to harmonize it. Like the major scale harmonized
in triads (in degrees):

1 - Major
2 - Minor
3 - Minor
4 - Major
5 - Major
6 - Minor
7 - Dim

The harmonic minor harmonized in triads (I think this is right, doing it from memory):

1 - Minor
2 - Dim
3 - Aug
4 - Minor
5 - Major
6 - Major
7 - Dim

So, how does that help? Well, one thing you see is that 5 & 6 major that are 1/2
step apart. If you play those chords or arpeggio's, you really get that characteristic
"Spanish" sounding harmony.