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I'm probably not the first one to think this, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

Now I find it odd that the US government taxes kids that work, yet they still do not allow them to vote or have a say in the government. Now this seems a tad bit hypocritical seeing as the fore fathers of this country fought so hard so they could have representation in a government that taxed them. So am I missing something here, or is this as dumb as I think.
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I'm probably not the first one to think this, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

Now I find it odd that the US government taxes kids that work, yet they still do not allow them to vote or have a say in the government. Now this seems a tad bit hypocritical seeing as the fore fathers of this country fought so hard so they could have representation in a government that taxed them. So am I missing something here, or is this as dumb as I think.


I think that they're two seperate things. Just because you're living in a country doesn't mean you know enough to decide who should be in the government.

Edit: Besides, most kids would probably just vote for who what their parents wanted, anyways.
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#6
Phh....take it up with The Constitution, n00b. I don't know if it says anything about it in there, but do it anyways.
#7
Well then they shouldn't tax kids. I mean, if they don't think we can decide things then whatever. I just think it goes against one of the ideals that was important enough for us to fight a war on.
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I think that they're two seperate things. Just because you're living in a country doesn't mean you know enough to decide who should be in the government.



oh i'm sorry, i'm a fan of a rebublic. i guess you don't like the idea of the freedom to choose who to elect to run your country?
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Well then they shouldn't tax kids. I mean, if they don't think we can decide things then whatever. I just think it goes against one of the ideals that was important enough for us to fight a war on.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but seriously, how many kids under voting age do you know who are actually educated and informed enough to make an intelligent decision? Now, compare that number to the amount of kids who aren't educated and informed enough to make an intelligent decision.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but seriously, how many kids under voting age do you know who are actually educated and informed enough to make an intelligent decision? Now, compare that number to the amount of kids who aren't educated and informed enough to make an intelligent decision.

Then....they shouldn't be taxing the kids. It's that simple.

P.S. I don't get taxed.
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#11
the point of taxing is to provide the many services offered by our government....like public schools(used by kids under 18) roads(used by kids under 18) and fire and crime prevention(kids benefit...by being alive b/c there are less murderers/rapists)...just because you cant vote doesnt mean you cant benefit from the services the government provides.
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the point of taxing is to provide the many services offered by our government....like public schools(used by kids under 18) roads(used by kids under 18) and fire and crime prevention(kids benefit...by being alive b/c there are less murderers/rapists)...just because you cant vote doesnt mean you cant benefit from the services the government provides.

True...but then you have no say whatsoever in where your tax dollars are used. Which is wrong.
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Well then they shouldn't tax kids. I mean, if they don't think we can decide things then whatever. I just think it goes against one of the ideals that was important enough for us to fight a war on.


in australia, kids don't get taxed on earnings unless they are getting more than $6400 a year.
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#14
I agree with you on that much. there are some kids that are fairly dumb, and probably would be better off waiting a few more years until they could finally think for themselves instead of following what other people did.

I don't know. I just started thinking about this because I had an essay for my mid term in history that was about important turning points in our countries history, and one the events i used was the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War. Got me thinking about how this country was created for many reasons, one of which was the right to not be taxed without having representation in the government.

Anyway, thank you all for humoring me.
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True...but then you have no say whatsoever in where your tax dollars are used. Which is wrong.


That's true, but let's face it, most of the people who are voting know more about what the tax dollars should be used for than most of the people who can't.
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First of all, I don't think anybody LIKES taxes! But QuiteTheFellow is right. I know guys that would vote for somebody just because he said something funny or she is "kinda hot". Of course that logic isn't limited only to kids. I can name quite a few adults who I wish weren't allowed to vote.
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the point of taxing is to provide the many services offered by our government....like public schools(used by kids under 18) roads(used by kids under 18) and fire and crime prevention(kids benefit...by being alive b/c there are less murderers/rapists)...just because you cant vote doesnt mean you cant benefit from the services the government provides.

Yeah I can benefit. But thats entirely beside the point I am trying to make. Im saying that if me or my friends are going to get taxed by the government, then they should let us vote or just not tax us at all. If they don't want us voting, then don't take our money.
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Yeah I can benefit. But thats entirely beside the point I am trying to make. Im saying that if me or my friends are going to get taxed by the government, then they should let us vote or just not tax us at all. If they don't want us voting, then don't take our money.


But taxing kids seems like a logical thing to do, seeing as kids use much of the services provided by the government.

Like, if you don't want to get taxed, don't use anything that taxes are used to pay for.

IMO it just seems like there aren't too many other options.
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Yeah, but besides the schools what else do we use that adults don't use? If I'm missing something please inform me.
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But taxing kids seems like a logical thing to do, seeing as kids use much of the services provided by the government.

Like, if you don't want to get taxed, don't use anything that taxes are used to pay for.

IMO it just seems like there aren't too many other options.

Or if they want to tax us let us vote. But, since I disagree with lowering the voting age, don't tax kids who can't vote. It all maes perfect sense really. You're just missing the whole idea of "no taxation without representation". (which is a completely fair and logical demand)
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Yeah, but besides the schools what else do we use that adults don't use? If I'm missing something please inform me.


I don't think it matters what we use that adults don't use. We use things that adults do use, and it's not like the adult's taxes don't pay for the education system.

I understand what you mean, but to me there really isn't much else that the government can do without inspiring mass rioting.
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Or if they want to tax us let us vote. But, since I disagree with lowering the voting age, don't tax kids who can't vote. It all maes perfect sense really. You're just missing the whole idea of "no taxation without representation". (which is a completely fair and logical demand)


It does make sense. But the thing is, if they all just stop taxing kids, the money's going to need to come from somewhere. Chances are, taxes on people over the voting age will rise. And since they can vote, they're just going to vote it back that kids get taxed again or whatever.

I'm not some sort of huge political nut, this is just my uneducated opinion.
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#26
Well I'm sure there are plenty of other things that money gets wasted on in this country. They could cut some of that stuff.
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#27
i thought that you had to make a certain amount of money to be taxed, and even if you are, you can get a pretty big refund if you are a student, but I understand what you're saying...
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Well I'm sure there are plenty of other things that money gets wasted on in this country. They could cut some of that stuff.


I think that if there were things that weren't really necessary, people would have already voted to have them removed from the payment tax dollars or whatever.
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I think that if there were things that weren't really necessary, people would have already voted to have them removed from the payment tax dollars or whatever.

People can't just up and vote for something whenever they want....they have the right to protest, but America is not 100% free.
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#31
Governments aren't keen to lower the voting age because it looks bad on them if the turnout at an election decreases.
#32
jesus.
Children dont have the mental capacity to vote...
This thread proves certain posters dont either.
Thats why.
You cant say, oh dumb people cant vote.
Kids wont ever get to vote, sorry.
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#33
ok lets all get our pickett fences and take this up infront of Vons
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in australia, kids don't get taxed on earnings unless they are getting more than $6400 a year.
I don't know how the taxation system works in other countries but in Canada everyone, kids or adults, get a certain amount of cash that is non-taxable. I think in Canada it's around $8,000 / year. So the first $8,000 is un-taxed, then $8,001 - $36,000 is the first tax bracket at a certain percentage and so on.

Anyway the thread starters point was that if you can't vote the government shouldn't be taking your money. I completely agree. The government may provide services that everyone, including non voters, use... but if you can't have a say in the matter the government shouldn't be taking your money. It's not like a child can just get up and move to a different country if he/she doesn't like it either.
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jesus.
Children dont have the mental capacity to vote...
This thread proves certain posters dont either.
Thats why.
You cant say, oh dumb people cant vote.
Kids wont ever get to vote, sorry.

Yes, I understand that would probably not happen. You obviously fail to see my point. We had a WAR over this. And I don't think its right that a little over 200 years later our government doesn't feel as though it's all that important anymore.
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#36
lol we should of listened to Rage Against the Machine when we could of, i remember seeing them do bulls on parade and Zack's all like "People!! Our democracy has been hi-jacked!!" and all this really cool political woes
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#37
The government is controlled nearly entirely by a group of respected, weathly, elderly people. The respected wealthy people don't care about you or I, they care most about living their last 10-20 years on this earth as best possible. They really could give a good craup weather this takes away things like; social security, economic stability, democracy itself in america, or even a whole generation of young men. These 'warhawks' don't send their sons, distant relations, friends, to battle. We are the gears of war, and they arn't worthy mechanics.
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#38
Well I'll be the first to admit the government has its faults, but these are why I don't mind paying taxes.

I get to be a citizen
school
the maintained roads I drive on
the police and military that "protect" me
#39
A percentage of the taxes go towards public school which many young workers go to. If you want to stop paying taxes then you had better be prepared for tuition.
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#40
to tell the truth......we would never live without our government......and every1 makes mistakes including our government....they just act too harda$$ to admit it....so really i agree, im 17 i shouldnt be taxed for working....but hey...its how the world goes i suppose
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