#1
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#3
So it really doesnt matter which one i pick?
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#4
i don't have much knownledge concerning amps but i'd wait for more people to respond before making a choice. you probably know this already, but try before you buy.
#5
the main difference is that the DSL sounds better to most people, although it has one less channel.
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What is the channel the dsl doesn't have?
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What is the channel the dsl doesn't have?


ok..
loot at it this way..
The DSL has a Clean/Crunch channel and a Crunch/Lead channel
The Clean/Crunch channel goes from Clean to old school JCM 800,
on the Crunch/Lead channel, it goes from hotrodded JCM800 to modern tones...

The TSL has 2 Clean/Crunch, and a Crunch/Lead channels..
Essentially the same thing as the DSL, except an extra clean channel...

IMO the DSL sounds better, and quite a few people will agree, this is because the simplified signal path, compared to the TSL... or at least, 90% of articles I've read about it attribute the tone to this...

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the ultra channel if im not mistaken.


nah, the TSL doesn't get heavier.. it only really gets cleaner...
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#9
^ The 'high gain" one. They sound completely different, so no, the TSL isn't a DSL with "more knobs."
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#11
So the DSL IS better? (Tone wise) Oh yeah does it have he reverb knobs for each channel like the TSL?
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Hmm, so simplified signal paths make amps sound better? Interesting... I guess that's why some people like old 2-channel Dual Recs over the new ones? There's also a Soldano that's supposed to copy the SLO's overdrive circuit, but only one channel instead of 2 or 3 (I don't know which), and it's only half the price; they were advertising that it had a simpler circuit so it had more punch or someting. Why would that be the case?
#13
oh and if you are buying new, just wait till the JVM comes out, by all acounts ive heard it blows the JCM 2000s out of the water.
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More knobs= more things that can go wrong with the amp......
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oh and if you are buying new, just wait till the JVM comes out, by all acounts ive heard it blows the JCM 2000s out of the water.


When?

How Much?

How Good?

Better than JCM 800 or 900's?
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$1500 new give or take, supposedly better than the 900s with more gain than the 2000s and its a four channel. and its already out in England dont know about the US but it will be within a few months no doubt.
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That's just sickening. And only for $1500? Damn. Hey man do you have AIM, Kid_Thorazine?
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#18
Meh...

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The Marshall JVM Series Amplifiers are available in early 2007, with U.S. MSRPs as follows: JVM410C 100-Watt Combo — $3000.00; JVM410H 100-Watt Head — $2500.00.
Then again, that's list price, I suppose retail would be in the mid 1k's somewhere.

Looks like it has a shared EQ, though; I would have assumed it was a 1-channel if Kid hadn't stated otherwise.
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Obviously, I'm a noob with this amp stuff, so dont flame me for asking this, but will prices go down for this amp just like video game systems do?
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$1500 is what the heads are going for in england theyll be about the same here (they would be cheaper in england obviously, but england has higher taxes.) and the prices wont go down untill marshall introduces a new line, though you can expect the prices on the JCM 2000s to drop.
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Hmm, so simplified signal paths make amps sound better? Interesting... I guess that's why some people like old 2-channel Dual Recs over the new ones? There's also a Soldano that's supposed to copy the SLO's overdrive circuit, but only one channel instead of 2 or 3 (I don't know which), and it's only half the price; they were advertising that it had a simpler circuit so it had more punch or someting. Why would that be the case?


No, better design makes an amp sound better. An amp doesn't need to be simple to sound good, it just has to be good in the first place.
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#22
The DSL is alot better than the TSL, the TSL is extremly muddy!
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#23
The DSL has two channles, the TSL has three. They're very different amps really and i'd say too that the DSL is probably better tone wise, but i find the 3 channles on the TSL is easier to work with.
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#24
There are a few Youtube vids of the JVM, but it's obviously quite hard to judge an amp based on audio as compressed as that. I've got a DSL50 and it's fantastic, I tried a couple of TSL401's and 601's too, but I never got round to trying the TSL heads, but I prefer the DSL.

The JVM's have controls for the preamp on them called 'Body' and 'Detail' I think you can also call up presets with MIDI, sounds pretty good actually, they possibly are better amps than the 2000's, but I don't' know if they're £300 better.
#25
I'm willing to bet when the DSL's and TSL's came out there was a lot of hype then too only to fizzle when people found out that new is not always better. I'm not expecting any true Marshall vintage tone out of either the JVM or the Vintage Modern lines but who knows. Those youtube videos are the Vintage Modern too by the way not the JVM if it's the ones by the Chris George Band you're talking about Mr Songwriter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNU5LxsnSos&mode=related&search=

As for which is better, the DSL or the TSL I'd hope the DSL was better cause the TSL is nothing special. With lots of EQing you can get some good tones but it takes a lot of messing around. My 800 is miles ahead of it.
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^ yep, i saw the DSL 401 for $700 in HOngkong lol
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#27
yeah i'd stay away from the heads to be honest. get the combo I have it and it's alot better than the head(DSL) stay away from the TSL too i find it to be rather muddy
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I'm willing to bet when the DSL's and TSL's came out there was a lot of hype then too only to fizzle when people found out that new is not always better. I'm not expecting any true Marshall vintage tone out of either the JVM or the Vintage Modern lines but who knows. Those youtube videos are the Vintage Modern too by the way not the JVM if it's the ones by the Chris George Band you're talking about Mr Songwriter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNU5LxsnSos&mode=related&search=

As for which is better, the DSL or the TSL I'd hope the DSL was better cause the TSL is nothing special. With lots of EQing you can get some good tones but it takes a lot of messing around. My 800 is miles ahead of it.
The Vintage Modern I tried sounded really lacklustre at low volumes, but I didn't try it cranked - I hear it sounds AMAZING cranked.
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#29
who said "less knobs better tone??" so you people say the less knobs you have the nicer the tone is, so DSL better than TSL..... and JVM?? it got all the covered of knobs and its the best one in line?? lol its supposed to be the worse cause of that theory.
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^ i prefer the jvm to the dsl and tsl. As TGM said about 6 months back () the amp has to be designed well. Frequently simple amps sound amazing because of the simplicity of the circuit, but that's not to say a well-designed complicated circuit can't also sound good.

^^ mr carrot: i wouldn't say the vintage modern sounds amazing cranked. better, more like. but it's horrible at lower volumes.
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yeah i'd stay away from the heads to be honest. get the combo I have it and it's alot better than the head(DSL) stay away from the TSL too i find it to be rather muddy


i'd say the dsl head is nicer than the combo...
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