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#1
What would you guys would say a good wood is for a guitar build which is relitavely cheap?

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depends what tone you want.
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Alder.
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Could someone post some examples of prices like:

Alder = £???

And then go up to better quality woods?

Thanks a lot.


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Alder = $50

There's really no such thing as a higher grade tonewood honestly. Any defect free wood will do the job, you don't have to go paying $150 for the highest grade alder.

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Alder = $50

There's really no such thing as a higher grade tonewood honestly. Any defect free wood will do the job, you don't have to go paying $150 for the highest grade alder.

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Thanks for the advice. Ill be adding that to my shopping list :P

Do you no and reliable UK suppliers?


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#8
there's an entire sticky...it's the get started on customizing one. go check that.
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there's an entire sticky...it's the get started on customizing one. go check that.


Yeah, ive read that, I was just seeing what peoples opnions were on some suppliers.


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#10
agathis is used in the bc rich mockingbird.

basswood and alder too.
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agathis is used in the bc rich mockingbird.

basswood and alder too.


Agathis =
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Agathis =

That statement is about as ignorant as it gets.
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Agathis is used in lower end guitars (think BC Rich), who are notorious for having shite quality parts and pickups. I'm sure if you used the nicest mahogany with a maple cap and still had the same quality parts, it would sound as bad as an agathis guitar with good quality parts.
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That statement is about as ignorant as it gets.


Or, I have have an opinion, in which case you can screw off.
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Speculating is hardly an opinion. While still an opinion, it's just a conjecture. Why state your opinion, whilst adding to the confusion and incorrect information already floating around here, when it's not definitive? Beats me.

Although you do have every single right to your own opinion, I know it's already based off the garbage spewed around here about agathis being crappy.
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Speculating is hardly an opinion. While still an opinion, it's just a conjecture. Why state your opinion, whilst adding to the confusion and incorrect information already floating around here, when it's not definitive? Beats me.

Although you do have every single right to your own opinion, I know it's already based off the garbage spewed around here about agathis being crappy.


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#17
ok the best cheap tonewood is maple, its cheap, strong, resonant, and has a nice grain
nuff said
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ok the best cheap tonewood is maple, its cheap, strong, resonant, and has a nice grain
nuff said


A solid maple body would be incredibly heavy and be really, really bright sounding.
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A solid maple body would be incredibly heavy and be really, really bright sounding.

yeah, it can be very heavy, add a belly cut and some horn and heel reduction and its not that heavy
as for brightness it also depends on the pickups, if it was with dimarzio's yes, then it would be ear splitting
#20
what does every one have against agathais its not that bad your ears drums wont burst if you listen to a guitar made out of it
#21
what does every one have against agathais its not that bad your ears drums wont burst if you listen to a guitar made out of it


its just not a great tonewood, your right its not gonna burst your ear drums, but its pretty bad
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its just not a great tonewood, your right its not gonna burst your ear drums, but its pretty bad

And you're basing this opinion off what? What others around here say about tonewood? I *just* got done explaining this to somebody else, in this same exact thread.
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#23
The cheapest are probably Agathis and Poplar but they arent too popular and apparently (I have no experiance with either except once on agathis) don't sound too great. The time i used an agathis guitar i was using a good amp so i'm not sure where the good sound was from.

And some cheap to middle priced would be, Alder, used in Fenders and Jacksons and Basswood, used i a lot of Ibanezes.

Some higher priced ones would be, Mahogany, used in ones like gibson has a warm darker tone.
Ash/Swamp ash, also used by fender, had a brighter tone and a snazzier grain than alder.
And I guess things like Korina come under this but also I have no info/experiance with this.
#24
meranti is what i use sounds quite nice though it can splinter if your not carefull, its about £32-dewsons but you get it in planks so cut it in half then glue the two half together
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#25
Wow lots of people dont know the beauty of Agathais, it can be an amazing tonewood. The issue of Agathais is that it needs to be cut right, it needs to be a perfect piece of the quartersawn wood other wise the intonation will be off and different notes will be muddy. I have played an agathais made by ed roman custom guitars, and it is hard to find something so brilliant. If you can get your hands on good wood then you can make the guitar sound good. It is also really cheap because all of the guitar companies are going after Mahogany, Alder, Ash and Maple. As for the heavyness of maple, its much lighter then the two solid mahogany guitars that i have built (well im building the second).

As for suppliers, you can get some great deals on the ebay stores, call around your area and see who carries exotic hardwoods, you might have to pay a little bit more but the wood will be high grade. But make sure you have a "Wood Person" with you so they can make sure you dont get ripped off.

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The issue of Agathais is that it needs to be cut right, it needs to be a perfect piece of the quartersawn wood other wise the intonation will be off and different notes will be muddy. I have played an agathais made by ed roman custom guitars, and it is hard to find something so brilliant.

Did Ed Roman tell you that?

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Why the **** would the intonation be off if the plank wasn't quartersawn?
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#28
Well thanks for all that information. If say I was going to save up about £300-£400 for a guitar, what would be a decent wood?


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What kind of tone do you want out of it?
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#30
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What kind of tone do you want out of it?


Something similar to my Epi LP, but something that has a hint of a strat. I play mainly classic rock, rock and blues.

What do you reccomend?


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Speculating is hardly an opinion. While still an opinion, it's just a conjecture. Why state your opinion, whilst adding to the confusion and incorrect information already floating around here, when it's not definitive? Beats me.

Although you do have every single right to your own opinion, I know it's already based off the garbage spewed around here about agathis being crappy.


Well, aren't you nice and presumptuous? How do you know that I don't have my own opinion formulated about tonewoods?

Oh, yeah, you don't.
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#33
You can't get a recommendation for a tonewood just based on what you're wanting to play from it. A big factor in your tone depends on the pickups used. Dual humbuckers? 3 single coils? These will severly affect what tonewood you should use for the application.

Chris
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Well, aren't you nice and presumptuous?

Yep.

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How do you know that I don't have my own opinion formulated about tonewoods?

Because I highly doubt you've ever played an agathis guitar that's decent. Decent pickups, decent construction. You're obviously just repeating what others on this forum say about agathis. Jumping on the bandwagon to feel smart huh?

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Oh, yeah, you don't.

Well, aren't you nice and presumptuous? You're about as ignorant as it gets. It's pretty sad, actually. Why don't you just run along now, and go help people with topics you actually have experience on. You obviously have zero experience with anything luthier related.

So, would you mind explaining to me, in detail, what's so bad about agathis? I'd LOVE to hear your response.

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Yep.


Because I highly doubt you've ever played an agathis guitar that's decent. Decent pickups, decent construction. You're obviously just repeating what others on this forum say about agathis. Jumping on the bandwagon to feel smart huh?


Well, aren't you nice and presumptuous? You're about as ignorant as it gets. It's pretty sad, actually. Why don't you just run along now, and go help people with topics you actually have experience on. You obviously have zero experience with anything luthier related.

So, would you mind explaining to me, in detail, what's so bad about agathis? I'd LOVE to hear your response.

Chris


Fuck being luthier related, I'm talking about the tone. I don't like the way agathis sounds. It's just dull to my ears. You do not know that I'm repeating other people's opinions, you are assuming that. I don't feel the need to prove myself to you, because I'm not that petty.

Maybe I haven't played a "decent" guitar made out of agathis. Change my mind: give me an example of one and I'll try it out. In the meantime, shut up.
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Dull?

Nice attempt, atleast. Your opinion really holds no validity though. Oh well.
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Dull?

Nice attempt, atleast. Your opinion really holds no validity though. Oh well.


Prove me wrong. Give me an example of a nice guitar made of agathis. If I like, it might change my opinion. For now, your words mean nothing.
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Prove me wrong. Give me an example of a nice guitar made of agathis. If I like, it might change my opinion. For now, your words mean nothing.

I don't see how I can prove you wrong, really. I know agathis' true potential, I've built two guitars out of it. How many guitars made of agathis have you built? You're failing to realize agathis is used in low end guitars, where the quality of the guitar in general is VERY poor. Why? Because agathis is a cheaper alternative to higher end woods. There's nothing wrong with it at all. There's no such thing as bad tonewood period, anything will work. They all have different characteristics that make them different, but bad? No.

My words mean more than yours, just based on the experience i've had with it, and the lack of experience you've had with it.
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I don't see how I can prove you wrong, really. I know agathis' true potential, I've built two guitars out of it. How many guitars made of agathis have you built? You're failing to realize agathis is used in low end guitars, where the quality of the guitar in general is VERY poor. Why? Because agathis is a cheaper alternative to higher end woods. There's nothing wrong with it at all. There's no such thing as bad tonewood period, anything will work. They all have different characteristics that make them different, but bad? No.

My words mean more than yours, just based on the experience i've had with it, and the lack of experience you've had with it.


Being a luthier gives you a greater opinion about what sounds better? Now that's just elitist bullshit. I realize quite fully that agathis is used in lower-end guitars. Maybe that's why I've taken it to sound bad. I've never had a problem with you before this thread. I'd always respected your opinion and your skill as a luthier. But right now you're just coming off as an anonymous asshole. If, instead of flaming my opinion and accusing me of bandwagon jumping (which I am not), you had gave an attempt to prove your point, instead of merely telling me, we could have avoided this. Alas, instead you decided to be a Internet bully and simply tell me I'm wrong.
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