Why dont we have a solution for AIDS, world hunger and other issues?

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#1
Because of this stupid crap

Ok, I am bored so it is arbitrary rant time. I am going to attempt to bring some thought provoking discussion to the pit. (Yeah, I don't see it happening either but worth a shot.)

Ok, first....If the sun is responsible for the reduction of water on Mars what the hell can we do about it!

Second, people are dying of all kind of things. All kinds of programs are suffering funding issues because we are trying to figure out why Mars is losing water. Ok, maybe there is something behind it but seeing as how we can't put water on Mars or stop the fricking sun why the hell are we wasting funding on stupid crap like this?
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#2
When I just saw the board title before clicking, I was like "Because we're busing checking Mars' water issues, hehe."
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#3
it keeps population somewhat under control.
the diseases thing that is....not the sun lol.
#4
We research things like this because in the future, we are going to have to leave the planet, or we will ALL die, not just some of us. Also, curing all diseases is very bad for humans as a race. Sure, you save someone's life, and the people who care for them do not go through the loss, but the human race will lose in the end. Over population is already a big problem in some parts of the world, and with better health care there are more people. It will be a big problem everywhere. This is a much bigger problem than people dying from AIDs, cancer, or anything else. When animal's reproduce they produce more offspring than they need to keep the race alive so that there is a better chance that A FEW of them will live. Your dog doesn't take it's puppy to the doggy doctor when it's kid gets sick, the puppy dies. Humans also reproduce way more than is necessary to keep the race alive, but we also make most of the offspring live, and this is going to make a huge problem, even if you don't count it a huge problem now. My point is, we are destroying our environment by overpopulation and we will need to leave the planet at some point, we need to research other planets for habitation, if planets don't become resources just like oil, or coal (when we run out or destroy one resource we find another) then the human race is going to die out, or enough of us will die that we will be forced to degress into a more primitive way of living.
#5
^^True. I guess my point is that I don't see studing something we cant control like the effects of the sun on this considering we absolutely need it. Like I said I sure there is something behind it but it just seems fruitless.
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#6
Because not all scientists are being paid to research solutions to aids, world hunger, e.t.c.

But I'm leaning towards "because you touch yourself at night"
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#7
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^^True. I guess my point is that I don't see studing something we cant control like the effects of the sun on this considering we absolutely need it. Like I said I sure there is something behind it but it just seems fruitless.


we cant necisarily control world hunger and AIDS can we?

Mars is easier than a cure for AIDS and world hunger.
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#8
What our fathers and grandfathers thought were impossible are more than possible now, they are outdated, the same thing will happen as time goes on. Someone will come up with something, or we will all pay the price.
#10
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But I'm leaning towards "because you touch yourself at night"


Well, that's because I work all day.

Anyway. I think of it as we screwed up and cured polio once so it is time to stop this curing crap and start treating but that is another rant so I digress. Instead of fixing problems we run to Mars.
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#11
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY!!!!! Why would anyone cure aids for countries that don't have the money to actually buy the cure. Imagine how much you could charge if you had the cure for aids. ALOT!!! Also they are trying to find out IF Mars had water at one time or IF it possibly does right now, NOT why its losing water. Losing it? To who? That doesn't even make sense, it prolly couldn't evaporate!
#12
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i know how to cure aids world hunger and the lack of prison space


Me too, but that's not politically correct.
#13
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Me too, but that's not politically correct.

were you thinking of killing them all? because thats what i was thinking
#14
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were you thinking of killing them all? because thats what i was thinking


Yes, and no. I don't think killing them would be as good as just sterilizing a part of a generation the world 'round. That would definately cut back on the problems and world polution would definately drop significantly after the older generations kicked the bucket.
#15
1: Personally, I'm sick of everyone looking to the US to feed the worlds hungry. You know what? Wher all the starving people live is in the F**KING DESERT. They live in sand . You know what grows in sand? Nothing! Move to where some damn soil is and grow some crops.

2: There is not going to be a "cure" for AIDS anytime soon. Theres is no $$ in cure. If the savages want to kepp on f**king goats without a rubber, hey its called natural selection.
Let them kill themselves out. By the way, they are also the staving ones so the problem will work itself out.

As for the Mars project. Scientists have to have something to do I guess.

The USA can no longer afford to try to solve the rest of the worlds problems. We have enough of our own to solve.
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#16
Because if people didn't invest in research in astronomy, you would still think the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it. That's why.
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#17
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Because if people didn't invest in research in astronomy, you would still think the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it. That's why.


Is that such a bad thing?

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#18
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Is that such a bad thing?



... yes.

The truth is more important than feel-good bullshit.
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1: Personally, I'm sick of everyone looking to the US to feed the worlds hungry. You know what? Wher all the starving people live is in the F**KING DESERT. They live in sand . You know what grows in sand? Nothing! Move to where some damn soil is and grow some crops.

2: There is not going to be a "cure" for AIDS anytime soon. Theres is no $$ in cure. If the savages want to kepp on f**king goats without a rubber, hey its called natural selection.
Let them kill themselves out. By the way, they are also the staving ones so the problem will work itself out.

As for the Mars project. Scientists have to have something to do I guess.

The USA can no longer afford to try to solve the rest of the worlds problems. We have enough of our own to solve.

i 100% agree with that
#20
... yes.

The truth is more important that feel-good bullshit.


Fair enough
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#21
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Because if people didn't invest in research in astronomy, you would still think the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it. That's why.


I have no problem with that as long as the money goes towards something that can be useful. If this is useful I concede but if a condition is so obviously insurmoutable as controling the sun I think it is a waste of resources.
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#22
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I have no problem with that as long as the money goes towards something that can be useful. If this is useful I concede but if a condition is so obviously insurmoutable as controling the sun I think it is a waste of resources.


I have read the article and nowhere does it say thet they're "trying to control the sun", they're trying to find out what happened to the water that was once on Mars.

Because you see, it's important that we, among other things, learn how to make another planet habitable for humans.

Because in a a few decades when the Earth's population hits 20 billion or something, and we'll be packed in tighter than a commuter bus at 7 in the morning, people like you will be making posts bitching about how scientists wasted resources doing whatever and they didn't spend them to investigate other planets and solve the crowded Earth problem.
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#23
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I have read the article and nowhere does it say thet they're "trying to control the sun".


Well, it doesn't say it but if the sun is the culprit wouldn't you need to control the condition leading to the problem? That would be the sun. Hope my logic makes sense.
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#24
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Well, it doesn't say it but if the sun is the culprit wouldn't you need to control the condition leading to the problem? That would be the sun. Hope my logic makes sense.


Let me quote the first sentence in that article:

Scientists trying to find out where all the water on Mars went ruled out one culprit on Thursday -- new measurements show the Sun did not blow it away.


And the title of the article is, and this might come as a shock:


Sun did not blow water off Mars, study finds


Noone can control the temperature of the Sun, EXCEPT for John Petrucci!
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#25
^^Exactly! That is my point. They are doing studies on something they can't do anything about. That is why I found it fruitless.
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#26
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1: Personally, I'm sick of everyone looking to the US to feed the worlds hungry. You know what? Wher all the starving people live is in the F**KING DESERT. They live in sand . You know what grows in sand? Nothing! Move to where some damn soil is and grow some crops.

2: There is not going to be a "cure" for AIDS anytime soon. Theres is no $$ in cure. If the savages want to kepp on f**king goats without a rubber, hey its called natural selection.
Let them kill themselves out. By the way, they are also the staving ones so the problem will work itself out.

As for the Mars project. Scientists have to have something to do I guess.

The USA can no longer afford to try to solve the rest of the worlds problems. We have enough of our own to solve.


Are you fucking serious?

1.) Nobody really lives in the desert, as such, because you can't really survive in the desert. Regardless, saying "move somewhere else" is ignorant; nobody is going to let however many million starving people migrate into their better off infrastructure, even if the wanted to move. Nobody has a right to tell them where they should or shouldn't live.

The Northern world is partly responsible for the crisis in Africa. Seriously. And the poverty gap is growing all the time; the north is getting richer and the south is getting poorer. We rape them of their resources, and we refuse to let them off debts from loans we gave to corrupt governments in the 80's - yet its the African civilians that suffer. Whats a few billion to the US? Nothing. But Africa can't develop properly because it has to pay off its ever increasing debt to the world bank.

2.) I hate to say this, but there is a hell of a lot of money in a cure for AIDS. I say this, because I know that when some rich bastard finds out how, they're gonna slap a HUGE price on the miracle cure because they know if people don't pay it they will die.

Referring to African people as "savages" is the most 1950's expression I've heard for a damned long time AIDS affects more than you might realise, i believe South Africa (the country, perhaps the most developed on the continent) is one of the most affected. If the AIDS epidemic were in the US, you'd have a different outlook. I garauntee it'd spread like wildfire, just like it has through Africa, in the exact same way.

So no, your theory about "those are the 'staving' ones so it will work out" is further incorrect. AIDS is a very real problem.

About researching space programs rather than miracle cures; people research things they're interested in and specialise in. If you'd studied astronomy at university for 7 years, you wouldn't want to find out how the HIV virus works. No, you'd want to find out which bastard stole the water from Mars.
#27
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About researching space programs rather than miracle cures; people research things they're interested in and specialise in. If you'd studied astronomy at university for 7 years, you wouldn't want to find out how the HIV virus works. No, you'd want to find out which bastard stole the water from Mars.


Well, obviously . I wasn't suggesting Astronomers do AIDS research. I was suggesting that the funding would do better in another place.
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#28
Im dead serious! We have our own problems on our homefront. OOOHH you went to "university" for 7 years? Thats interesting since your birthyear is 1987. And what does studying astronomy have to do with the AIDS Virus? Africa pays off debt to us? Are you kidding me? There is no "miracle Cure" for anything. Im sure there will be eventually but for now all we try to do is educate these"underdeveloped" countries about prevention, they dont listen so why should I feel bad?
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#29
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^^Exactly! That is my point. They are doing studies on something they can't do anything about. That is why I found it fruitless.


Then what's the point of studying something like... the past for instance? You can't do anything about the past, you can't change it. What's the point then, it's just wasted resources.


Some other scientists studied the reaction time of locusts. They tied a locust down, pretended to hit it with a ball, and measured its reaction time through some very fine sensors. What's the point? Wasted effort and resources, right?
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#30
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Then what's the point of studying something like... the past for instance? You can't do anything about the past, you can't change it. What's the point then, it's just wasted resources.


Some other scientists studied the reaction time of locusts. They tied a locust down, pretended to hit it with a ball, and measured its reaction time through some very fine sensors. What's the point? Wasted effort and resources, right?


Of course studing the past is useful is the conditions are the same and controllable.
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#31
^but you can't change it, so what's the point?
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#32
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Are you fucking serious?

1.) Nobody really lives in the desert, as such, because you can't really survive in the desert. Regardless, saying "move somewhere else" is ignorant; nobody is going to let however many million starving people migrate into their better off infrastructure, even if the wanted to move. Nobody has a right to tell them where they should or shouldn't live.

The Northern world is partly responsible for the crisis in Africa. Seriously. And the poverty gap is growing all the time; the north is getting richer and the south is getting poorer. We rape them of their resources, and we refuse to let them off debts from loans we gave to corrupt governments in the 80's - yet its the African civilians that suffer. Whats a few billion to the US? Nothing. But Africa can't develop properly because it has to pay off its ever increasing debt to the world bank.

2.) I hate to say this, but there is a hell of a lot of money in a cure for AIDS. I say this, because I know that when some rich bastard finds out how, they're gonna slap a HUGE price on the miracle cure because they know if people don't pay it they will die.

Referring to African people as "savages" is the most 1950's expression I've heard for a damned long time AIDS affects more than you might realise, i believe South Africa (the country, perhaps the most developed on the continent) is one of the most affected. If the AIDS epidemic were in the US, you'd have a different outlook. I garauntee it'd spread like wildfire, just like it has through Africa, in the exact same way.

So no, your theory about "those are the 'staving' ones so it will work out" is further incorrect. AIDS is a very real problem.

most sense in the thread so far. well done. whoever said there's no money in a cure for AIDS is very wrong. if someone can find a cure for one of the most destructive diseases in history he'll be rolling in it, so to speak

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About researching space programs rather than miracle cures; people research things they're interested in and specialise in. If you'd studied astronomy at university for 7 years, you wouldn't want to find out how the HIV virus works. No, you'd want to find out which bastard stole the water from Mars.


magnificent point

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#34
You can't throw all the funding into just one program. They are researching stuff like AIDs, but that doens't mean you can neglect other aspects of our future.
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#35
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^but you can't change it, so what's the point?


You can prevent a repeat if the conditions are consistent.
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#38
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You can prevent a repeat if the conditions are consistent.



And so we get to the point I was trying to make.

Scientists don't always do research in hopes of changing something, more than often they study a certain phenomenon to learn from that phenomenon.

Studying the reaction time of locusts provides a model that may one day be incorporated into the computers of cars, to provide an automated fast reaction time in case of an accident.

Studying solar winds might seem pointless at first glance, but the applications of that in areas like radiology or geomagnetism are very significant.
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#39
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THERE IS NO CURE FOR AIDS


Correction: There is no cure for HIV infection. It can, however, be almost successfully treated with HAART (Highly Active Retroviral Therapy); a combination drug therapy that uses a selection of hurdles to prevent viral replication. The problem is, that in order for HAART to work, you have a strict schedule for medication. It's almost impossible to get someone to stick to this regime, which has them taking a different drug every 2 hours, and the drugs are also incredibly toxic.. making the patient feel like shit.

AIDs is just a collection of opportunistic diseases, which are able to take-hold because the patient is immunocompromised - pneumonia, for example. The individual diseases can be cured, as they arise. However, the condition will return, unless their immunological function is restored.
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Im dead serious! We have our own problems on our homefront. OOOHH you went to "university" for 7 years? Thats interesting since your birthyear is 1987. And what does studying astronomy have to do with the AIDS Virus? Africa pays off debt to us? Are you kidding me? There is no "miracle Cure" for anything. Im sure there will be eventually but for now all we try to do is educate these"underdeveloped" countries about prevention, they dont listen so why should I feel bad?


I didn't say I'd been to university for 7 years, I was saying the people that had wouldn't want to.

The thread started by saying why is money being spent on research into mars, as apposed to finding cures for diseases such as AIDS, which is why I made that statement.

Yes, Africa is in debt to the US. This site suggests that Africa is overall in $200billion debt. It also states that the US (amongst other countries) is unwilling to lift this debt to allow Africa to focus on more of their own problems such as... yes, you guessed it, HIV and AIDS.

So there isn't a miracle cure... which is why the threadstarter was discussing the fact that perhaps more money should be input into things he deems more necessary than others.

Nobody said you had to care about it. All I'm saying is that maybe if the North stopped being greedy bastards over money they don't really need, the South could pick up, develop, and help slow down and possibly eventually erradicate AIDS.
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