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#1
Ok, I found a thread like this in The Pit, but clearly, The Pit is just a beacon of stupidity and tends to attract people who don't know what they hell they are talking about. The same kind of people that go around advocating something they have no idea about are always present in The Pit. So I wanted to make a thread where we can have a civil discussion about it, instead of all the hatemongering bullshit that doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Personally, whatever the band chooses to put in their lyrics will not really have an effect on me other than perhaps bring to light something I was unsure about. I am for having racist themes and lyrics in music because for those who understand that the true evil is commercialism and songs with messages that have no insight into reality (like all the sappy love songs made by people who in reality don't know **** all about love), they will come to realize that racist themes exist usually not in a literal context but more a symbol of anti-Judeo-Christian beliefs. Symbols that exist to weed out those who don't look beyond labels and who preach about all this politically correct horseshit. The true evil is those who make music about this perfect utopian society, but we all know this is never going to happen. In fact, actually looking into a fair bit of NSBM bands lyrics, they're not really discussing racism all the time. And if you look at it another way, you can choose to listen to any kind of lyrics literally, and it's not just NSBM or other kinds of metal that are responsible for influencing people. When it comes down to the basics, it's all just words. Sooner or later, a kid is going to have to learn to make his own decisions and censorship or removal of racist music is never going to solve any problems except divert attention from a more needy issue.

Feel free to call me a moron as long you elaborate on specific points. I know some things are probably flawed.
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#2
i personally think its wrong to have racist themes in music. do you know of any examples of what your talking about though? that might make it a little easier to see what you are talking about.
#3
i dont get what you are talking about?? discussing rascism is ok i guess but most of these hick southern metal bands actually mean what they are saying and i dont wanna hear that bull shit
#4
because for those who understand that the true evil is commercialism


That's where I stopped reading.
#5
I hang around with "punx" mainly, so the anti-racist/fascist stuff has definately rubbed off on me (To put it lightly), but I still listen to NSBM and enjoy it. I can enjoy NSBM far more than I can enjoy RAC Nazi punk/oi stuff, mainly because I'd much rather hear Symbolic lyrics than "Run ****** ******."


Not to mention I've never listened to BM for lyrics anyway really.
#6
Most NSBM isn't realllly about racism as such, its more about racial pride. The majority of bands don't necessarily harbour hatred towards other races (notice I say RACES and not RELIGIONS) they simply preach bloodline preservation, i.e no inter racial breeding. I don't necessarily agree with this as the idea that interbreeding races leads to "mongrels" is a fallacy due to humans being chemically and sexually engineered to be attracted to others who have different genes and thus eliminate the problems of inbreeding (hence why you're not attracted to your sister/brother etc)

The idea that the "positive" genes are recessive in inter race breeding is also a false rumour due to the above facts. Bleh, its just another silly cobbled together ideology that we have to put up with in metal. Racial pride is no different than national pride, but taking it as far as condemning inter racial relations is silly seeing as people came from all over the place (the Normans were of Persian descent ffs, therefore 60% of England owes there bloodline to Persia LOL) its like me as a fairly proud Brit preaching that no Englishman should marry a French woman, even though the are probably French people with more "English" blood than me LOL

Funny story: I have a mate who went to a Jewish school, even though he isn't Jewish, and at a Zyklon show we were chatting with the band and someone introduced him as Matt the Jew, which they laughed at, then after he left, Samoth was asking with a serious face "He's not really Jewish is he?" I lol'd
#7
I remeber that the last time we had a similar topic in the Metal forum, things got steamy and some people got p-bannefied.

My take on the subject; most people are easily manupulated into a false believe into something untru. Media and art such as music can easily manupulate the masses. But then again those NSBM are really underground and I very much doubt many kids listens to that shit. Especially when there people like $0.50 putting up the morally and politically correct view into the spotlight.

Either way I don't really give a fuck, if people choose to kill each other over what colour skin they have or other idiotical things, let it be so. People are generally idiots anyway
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That's where I stopped reading.


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#10
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That's where I stopped reading.


That's not the point. It is more so than racism in music, but it's not actually evil...
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#11
I could care less if a band is like "I'm proud i'm white." If it's "Kill all jews/blacks/whatever", then I get pissed. Provided that they actually mean it, of course.
#12
Racial pride in metal is great. It's probably the best way to do your music without being considered a racist. White people should be able to say they're proud of their heritage and racial culture just like any other race.

When it's about exterminations and what not then that pointless, bull shit, hatred is unacceptable to me.

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#13
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Racial pride in metal is great. It's probably the best way to do your music without being considered a racist. White people should be able to say they're proud of their heritage and racial culture just like any other race.

When it's about exterminations and what not then that pointless, bull shit, hatred is unacceptable to me.

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white peolpe don't have a heritage :P i'm a little italian but i aslo live on the north east coast (of england) so if you go back far enough i might have some swedish/nord in me heh
#15
^so do i.


Racism in music? Personally the only racist band i know of is Slave whipping Blasphemy.

Otherwise it's just racial pride, so this thread has no meaning.

Hey. I'm proud to be white!

But not proud to be an American.

Talk about that instead.
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#16
Oh man, I can't wait for morbid to show up here...

Racism in anything is stupid. Racial purity is stupid as well, since a person in modern society probably doesn't use the "advantages" that the racially pure have on a regular basis (not to mention that modern technology can usually override any racial advantages one may have).

With that said, if someone wants be proud of their race, then go for it. Personally, I think race is a pointless thing to be proud of. The way I see it, race too often gets tied in with cultural/ethnic background; culture often defines who you are, whereas race doesn't go very far beyond the color of your skin. Just because people who are descended from a certain culture happen to be of a certain color doesn't mean that the color has to be tied in with the culture.
#17
Some racist bands are just stupid imo though. I like Arghoslent's music, but wtf: http://www.tartareandesire.com/interviews/arghoslent.html ?

You've said that you support anything that helps modern society crumble, including drugs, AIDS and famine. Does this mean that you are a junkie yourself, or a drug dealer etc.? Haha...

ARG: No, I'm not a drug dealer, although I would support anything that would accelerate the process of deaths caused by overdoses.
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#18
Bands should be able to talk about whatever they want in their songs. It's as simple as that.
#19
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Most NSBM isn't realllly about racism as such, its more about racial pride. The majority of bands don't necessarily harbour hatred towards other races (notice I say RACES and not RELIGIONS) they simply preach bloodline preservation, i.e no inter racial breeding. I don't necessarily agree with this as the idea that interbreeding races leads to "mongrels" is a fallacy due to humans being chemically and sexually engineered to be attracted to others who have different genes and thus eliminate the problems of inbreeding (hence why you're not attracted to your sister/brother etc)

The idea that the "positive" genes are recessive in inter race breeding is also a false rumour due to the above facts. Bleh, its just another silly cobbled together ideology that we have to put up with in metal. Racial pride is no different than national pride, but taking it as far as condemning inter racial relations is silly seeing as people came from all over the place (the Normans were of Persian descent ffs, therefore 60% of England owes there bloodline to Persia LOL) its like me as a fairly proud Brit preaching that no Englishman should marry a French woman, even though the are probably French people with more "English" blood than me LOL



I agree with all this.
#20
For racist elements in Metal the same that I've said regarding 'Hatred towards God/Relgion' in Metal can be applied as such.

Just because I like the music doesn't mean I follow its ideologies. For example, 'I like porn but I don't like penis.' Yes?

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#21
I personaly think people should be able to believe anything they want.

If they want to be racist I'm fine with that, unless it involves me then I think I have the right to truely hate their guts.
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#22
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Just because I like the music doesn't mean I follow its ideologies. For example, 'I like porn but I don't like penis.' Yes?



Your homoerotic porn collection says otherwise. :p

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#23
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#24
I like Burzum, and ol' Vargy hates Jews.

However, as long as I can't understand that (because nobody really knows what Mr. Vikernes is saying on Burzum records half the time) it doesn't bother me.
#25
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I like Burzum, and ol' Vargy hates Jews.

However, as long as I can't understand that (because nobody really knows what Mr. Vikernes is saying on Burzum records half the time) it doesn't bother me.


Burzum's lyrics aren't racist though, and after Varg hit jail, he claimed to drop all of his former neo-nazi beliefs, which according to him he was never fully a part of. His religion is Odalism, which is pride in one's own ancient culture and traditions, so it's a lot like Nationalism.
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#26
^

aye.

You be mostly right.

come on morbid, say some more!
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#27
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Burzum's lyrics aren't racist though, and after Varg hit jail, he claimed to drop all of his former neo-nazi beliefs, which according to him he was never fully a part of. His religion is Odalism, which is pride in one's own ancient culture and traditions, so it's a lot like Nationalism.


Hmm, I did not know this. Like I said, I couldn't tell you a single Burzum lyric without looking it up, I just think their music sounds cool, but if it's not racist, all the better.
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Why? The fascist anti-fascists will just do their best (rather poorly I must say) to discredit anything I put.

Though I do think I have a little sway behind what I say (with an 'NS' band I play in being on Vinland Winds (RIP), Death to Mankind and Blazing Productions). While we're (as in fellow 'NSers') all sympathetic to the National Socialist cause, much of the music isn't hate filled racial supremacy. I will use Spear of Longinus' music as I know it best as my example. Even the first release, Nazi Occult Metal, isn't hate fueled Aryan propaganda. Sure, the last song is just a catchy thrash riff with a recorded Hitler speech over the top, the rest of the songs are about the spiritual culture of our/Germanic race. That is not being racist. Why 500 copies of SoL's 'Nada Brahma' record were siezed and the German label jailed is beyond me. Nada Brahma is a little like 'sounds of the sun' or 'sun sounds', depending on the context. To the Odinists/Wotanists and Pagans in general, the Sun is a very special to our beliefs. It is the mighty Sun Wheel, the life giver. The next SoL record (about to be recorded) is Armanen Rune worship. Every song is one of the different 18 runes from the Armanen Futhark. The Armanen Futhark is suppose to be the language of Odin. They are also integral to Aryanism and living a pure life - while keeping Yggdrasil pure. None of this is hate inspiring. It should be positive. I'll let the title of another SoL record be subject of research - TYONS, or, The Yoga of National Socialism.

Unfortunately you can try to debunk everything that I have just said by listing a bunch of 2nd rate NS bands that preach racial hate. There are surely a lot of them. But there are few that are 'initiated' and 'aware.'

Another popular theme is Satan worship among the NS bands. This one is important. 'NS' bands and people that are into racialism but have no spiritual foundation are no better than goths, emos and skinheads (there are a few genuine skins out there though). Spiritualism is one area that Judaism has absolutely ravaged in western culture. It is absolutely sickening to see what is meant to be Teutonic Magick but laden with Judaic spew. One interesting thing we share in common however is Yggdrasil and Qabbalah. This is why you would (amazingly) find many NS folk in masonic lodges. Though that depends on what foundation the lodge has.

I know people who refuse to converse with a Jew, go through a checkout with a 'nigger', but that's all bullshit. One Jew will never make a difference (even if he's/she's a bank manager, lol). It's the Jews and all of Judaism (i.e Judeo-Christianity) that every single racially Germanic person must be aware of. They must be aware of the Zionist threat. Burning synogogues and bashing Jews isn't going to whipe the threat. Just being aware will. For those in the USA and not, a member of the western world need to be aware of the Zionist threat and remember it for things like when they go to vote for politicians. According to the Jews and other Judaic groups, Israel must be in Jewish control for those to go to Heaven. There are too many evangelical Christian groups these days, and they are in positions of power to turn a blind eye to Jewish atrocities (like Jewish Terrorism against the Arabs). This was not helped by the propaganda spun about the Third Reich's treatment of the Jews. The US administration is the worst yet with the largest portion of its foreign policy concerning the state of Israel and it's devotion to leaving it in Jewish control. This is no suprise when those in the top jobs in the USA are evangelists. Though sometimes they may not be aware of it themselves, as I was reading in 'New Dawn' not too long ago that the Jews in the US administration are from Straussian teachings. This is an even bigger fear to the anti-Zionists. This is why when you vote in your Federal elections (for non US people), make sure you know first hand on that party's foreign and US policies. If you're in the US, do the same!

While I have slightly moved away from the topic of music I think it is all relevent. Music is a voice, and it is preaching awareness. Therefore putting overly racist topics in the music isn't going to get the point out - that's just preaching to the initiated, as they say. Anti-semitism isn't hate filled, it is being aware of the Jewish threat against the western world as they are obliged to carry out according to the texts of their race, religion and culture, e.g the Talmud says that no Jew may give evidence/be on trial against another Jew should it prove the defendant Jew guilt. These sorts of Jews will lie and cheat their way to ruling the world Zionist state. Not every Jew may be an advocate of Zionism, but there are enough and in powerful positions that we must tread carefully and be AWARE.
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#30
I don't really care if the band is racist. As long as the music is good. People can think what they want, no rule against it, but overall, why do yu guys care so much. It doesn't affect you directly in anyway.
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#31
morbid_death, I completely disagree with your bashing of the jewish religion and its effect's upon modern culture.

And Arghoslent are from my area, but I can tell you, their beliefs ar FAR from the majority.
#32
lol that's nice. Care to elaborate?

What I have said is nothing more than an observation. So unless you're calling me blind...
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#34
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lol that's nice. Care to elaborate?

What I have said is nothing more than an observation. So unless you're calling me blind...


Another thing, that Gay Black Jewish Clansmen thing isn't real...is it? I mean, the guy in the back is holding a shotgun, and there's spongebob in the top right corner....
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#35
I have no idea lol. All that's missing is AIDS.

I'm assuming it's not real.

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#36
thats what people dont get about this yes racisim is wrong but its ok to listen to in heavy metal. its not the end of the world here so someone said cracker or hoe or what ever i dont give a shit just git on with life if you dont want to here it then dont listen to it got it? good
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#37
lols at dwain.

Down with the zionistic crusaders of hate!

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I have no idea lol. All that's missing is AIDS.

I'm assuming it's not real.


It's photo shopped.
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#38
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thats what people dont get about this yes racisim is wrong but its ok to listen to in heavy metal. its not the end of the world here so someone said cracker or hoe or what ever i dont give a shit just git on with life if you dont want to here it then dont listen to it got it? good


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#39
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That genre makes me hungry.

Also, Aye what Greety said is what I think also.
#40
I hold the opinion of many of the other UG'ers on here. I am not racist, and thus I do not agree with racism in metal. Promotion of ones race and heritage is perfectly legitimate, as long as they do not promote their own race by "demoting" others, as it were
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