#1
So i bought this Jackson at a shop and i liked it. Of course it was out of tune and i didnt think much about it. When i got it home all tuned up i started doing to crazy dive bombs and such. It came waaayyyy out of tune. so i tuned it back bent the g string up about 1 1/2 steps and you could here how the pitch just dropped about 1/2 steps down. i take it to this local guy and he fixed it. It was fine. I decided to check the intonation and fix it since i had lowered the bridge prior to taking it up to him to fix. I turn the wrong damn thing and the the guitar is back to the way it was when i bought it. it has a lockin nut so its not the tuners. I was wondering if anyone else experienced this problem and could help me becasue i don't feeling like paying the local guy again.
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#2
did you lock the nut? that sounds like your problem (which isnt very clear)
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#3
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did you lock the nut? that sounds like your problem (which isnt very clear)


Lol, thats the solution 3/4 of the time with these floyd threads. The other 1/4 are usually answered by madpicking lol.
#4
yeah the nut is locked. the whole guitar was coming out of tune without even me playing it. the guy fixed it then it was fine. but i ****** it up now when i tune it, go to the kitchen for something and go back to play it again. the whole thing is out by almost a half step
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#5
lol did u buy and actualy floyd rose model or juss a cheap jackson ripofff one like me
#6
meh, one time i forgot my nut was locked (when i first got the guitar, andbeing used to hardtails) i started to tune with the normal tuners, then i got confused, then realized the nut was locked, and went to my fine tuners.

other than that, ive had no problems with my trems. but it made me laugh.

good times
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#7
Jackson's JT580 is an awful bridge. Oddly enough, they use that same bridge on all of their FR equipped guitars.
#8
It's a Licensed Floyd Rose, right? I used to have a WRMG Warrior with one of those, and it kept going out of tune since the day I bought it. I was told by two different guitar techs that there was a serious problem with the knife edges that held the bridge in place and there was no way to fix it, just to replace the entire bridge. I ended up selling the Jackson and getting a Les Paul (with a hardtail obviously), smartest move I've ever made.
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#9
The problem could likely be solved by retracing your steps. What did you adjust which caused the issue to return? If you don't know specifically what the piece is called, then can you describe where on the trem it's located?
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#11
Are uou locking the nut with an allen wrench or your fingers?
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#12
Yeah its probably jackson liscensed floyd rose. its like a jackson performer or something like that. cheapness
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#13
i noticed the intonation on the thick E string was off. so i turned what i though would move the saddle back and forth but it actually moved the little black piece inside the saddle. i turned the thing underneath the fine tuners. then it all goes to hell from there
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#14
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Are uou locking the nut with an allen wrench or your fingers?

ha allen wrench
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#15
I hate Floyd Roses too...but not for that reason. It's a pain in the arse to change the strings and I can't seem to get my d-tuner to work with the bridge. I'm selling that guitar anyway so it doesn't matter much.
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i noticed the intonation on the thick E string was off. so i turned what i though would move the saddle back and forth but it actually moved the little black piece inside the saddle. i turned the thing underneath the fine tuners. then it all goes to hell from there

yea, the alan to adjust intonation is under the string



the one next to the flat head screw.

i never understood why people buy guitars and dont know how they work or learn how to work them. . .

but people make money off those kinds of people, so i should stop bashing. i make money off people who cant use computers
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#17
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i noticed the intonation on the thick E string was off. so i turned what i though would move the saddle back and forth but it actually moved the little black piece inside the saddle. i turned the thing underneath the fine tuners. then it all goes to hell from there


It sounds like you just loosened the string clamps.
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#18
Sounds like a big part of the problem might be un-stretched strings to me, hopefully it is because the alternative is possibly buggered knife edges. Things could just be a little stiff though - a little lubrication on the knife edges might help matters.
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#19
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yea, the alan to adjust intonation is under the string


the one next to the flat head screw.

i never understood why people buy guitars and dont know how they work or learn how to work them. . .

but people make money off those kinds of people, so i should stop bashing. i make money off people who cant use computers

I know how to use a guitar. I have never had a floyd rose equipped guitar before. So i guess me asking this question is me learning how to fix one.
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#20
Trem springs? That was the problem with my floyd rose, as i tuned it, it pulled the bridge up, and sent the previous strings out of tune.

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#22
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Jackson's JT580 is an awful bridge. Oddly enough, they use that same bridge on all of their FR equipped guitars.



What jacksons are you looking it?

You might want to take a look at the SL1, RR1, KE2, and any other Select Series...
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#23
I tightened the string clamps so its not that. And the bridge wasn't being pulled up.... it stayed parallel with the guitar.
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#24
I love my floyd rose. I play shows with it alot. Last show I didn't even have to touch the fine tuners, and I do alot of diving. I don't even have that great of an LFR, its an Edge Pro II. You have to know how to use it correctly, and any FR can be reasonably gigable.

I think you should just have the guy do a complete setup again, and then never mess with it aside form changing strings.
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#25
I tightened the string clamps so its not that. And the bridge wasn't being pulled up.... it stayed parallel with the guitar.


Still could be the strings stretching if you didn't already do it, they'll stretch regardless of the locking nut.

[Edit] just realised you meant the bridge string clamps!
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#26
yeah when the guy fixed it he put on new strings. put they were stretched and it stayed in near perfect tune until i messed with it
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#27
Unfortunately madpick's not around at the mo to sort this out!

Best thing to do is first nail down exactly what you did and didn't mess with, and also anything that may have changed since the guitar came back...

locking nut
fine tuners
intonation
string clamps
tremelo springs
bridge height
string gauge
bridge is parallel

anything you didn't mess with is obviously not the problem, so then note down the things you messed with, but are pretty sure are back where there supposed to be...and which things you thing may still be wrong.

Also, what exactly is the problem at the moment - is the pitch just dropping while you bend (because that's normal), dropping and staying dropped after bending or gradually dropping?
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#28
the things i messed with the string clamps, intonation, bridge height, fine tuners and the tremelo springs. The string pitch gradually drops regardless of bending the strings or just letting it sit on the stand. The intonation was perfect after i tuned it then it just comes out of tune. so i guess if i hadn't messed with it, it would be fine
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#29
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I know how to use a guitar. I have never had a floyd rose equipped guitar before. So i guess me asking this question is me learning how to fix one.



so you say you know how to use it, then say you need help?

make up your mind.
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#30
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so you say you know how to use it, then say you need help?

make up your mind.


I said i know how to use a guitar. You know how to drive a guitar dont you? Does that mean that you know every single thing about your car that you won't ever need help fixing it?
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#31
Right, try this....

Make sure everything that should be screwed tight is - namely string clamps and the screws that hold the intonation saddles.
Check that the bridge is seated correctly on the tremelo posts.
Lubricate the tremelo studs and knife edges - you can use a little chapstick or similar.
Unclamp the locking nut and tune up
Give a string a bit of a stretch, then check it's tuning - if it goes flat there's still some slack in it so stretch it again until it stops going flat - do this for all the strings, retuning as you go.
Re-tune
At this point your bridge should be parallel with the body - if it's diving then the springs are a bit loose, if it's raising they're too tight - adjust the tremelo springs accordingly to get the bridge level. Also, while the cavity's open make sure the springs are attached correctly and aren't likely to catch on anything, or slip.
Take a photo or two of the angle of the bridge for reference - that way you'll know if it shifts over time and how much.
Re-tune, clamp locking nut and hope it's fine.
After an hour or so, check that the bridge hasn't shifted - if it does shift it's only likely to shift down a little which would mean the springs aren't quite tight enough.
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#32
^ive yet to need help on my cars, and if i did, i would research about how it works before tweaking with it. (unless i needed a lift, which then, i would need help)

my point is, you dont know how a floyd works, but you tweak with it thinking you know what you are doing.
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#33
and this is basically what i am doing. researching how to do it. i got the point, if its not broke don't fix it.
Thanks steven seagull
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#34
do research before you make it worse. . . . .

which you didnt do. . .
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You don't argue with tubadude on Washburn-related matters, he flosses with the G string from a set of 0.12's y'know....and it's WOUND!
#35
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What jacksons are you looking it?

You might want to take a look at the SL1, RR1, KE2, and any other Select Series...
(They are all Orignals..)

I'm pretty sure that the new SL3's have OFR's.

Or at least mine does.
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#37
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I'm pretty sure that the new SL3's have OFR's.

Or at least mine does.


Odd.
Where'd you buy it?
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What year is it?

I think back in the day before Fender bought Jackson they had reasonably priced soloists (like the SL3) with OFR's..

either way though, I'm put off by rosewood, ebony is my choice...
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#38
Well, he did say it was a Jackson Performer which have some of the WORST LFR's known to man. I say its both the bridge and the player.
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#39
Dear lord, what the hell's goin on here...

This should give you a great head start -
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Tavern/index.php?showtopic=860

Seriously improves your LFRs lifespan (even the crappy ones), i suggest you do this when you've more experience with the FR itself -
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Tavern/index.php?showtopic=915

* For the lubrication of the knife edges, you can do it now and you DONT need to remove the trem. Just take a bunch of lipbalm and smear on the groove side of the action stud, then twist 360 degree to properly lube it. Rock the bridge some few times then twist back 360 to your previous action setup.

* Dont mess with the truss rod setup, high chance that you dont need one.
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Last edited by madpickin03 at Jan 29, 2007,