hi everyone,

i got into jazz a couple months ago and was doing pretty well up until recently. As of now, i am stuck at the proverbial brick wall as far as improvising and chord melody goes. I have gone through all the modes and am more than comfortable using them, but i'm kinda looking for something more interesting.(and my chord melody just plain sucks). I have a decently good theory background, but don't know how i could apply all this classical stuff to jazz.

i have a few ted greene books coming via UPS but i was wondering, in the meantime, if anyone good point me in a good direction e.g whole tone scale applications

any help would be appreciated greatly
If I don't respond in here in a few days, feel free to PM me about it.. I was about to go to bed and I don't want to rush things in here.

In the mean time, look through threads about further modes in the archives. Also search for improvisation there. Also search the MT for the Giant Steps thread by insideac.
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well what do you know about extensions and all those scales?

like extensions of chords 9ths,11ths,etc.
if that's not really what you're talking about....then apperently i have no idea

and what are "those scales
Last edited by fenderfrk10 at Jan 29, 2007,
If you can get these scales down, you'll be prepared for just about any jazz situation:

Major Modes
Ionian (1-2-3-4-5-6-7)
Dorian (1-2-b3-4-5-6-b7)
Phrygian (1-b2-b3-4-5-b6-b7)
Lydian (1-2-3-#4-5-6-7)
Mixolydian (1-2-3-4-5-6-b7)
Aeolian (1-2-b3-4-5-b6-b7)
Locrian (1-b2-b3-4-b5-b6-b7)

Melodic Minor Modes
Melodic Minor (1-2-b3-4-5-6-7)
Dorian b2 (1-b2-b3-4-5-6-b7)
Lydian Augmented (1-2-3-#4-#5-6-7)
Lydian Dominant (1-2-3-#4-5-6-b7)
Mixolydian b6 (1-2-3-4-5-b6-b7)
Aeolian b5 (1-2-b3-4-b5-b6-b7)
Altered (1-b2-#2-3-b5-#5-b7)

Harmonic Minor Modes
Harmonic Minor (1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7)
Locrian natural 6 (1-b2-b3-4-b5-6-b7)
Ionian #5 (1-2-3-4-#5-6-7)
Lydian minor (1-2-b3-#4-5-6-7)
Phrygian dominant (1-b2-3-4-5-b6-b7)
Lydian #2 (1-#2-3-#4-5-6-7)
Diminished Whole-tone (1-b2-#2-3-b5-#5-bb7)

Symmetrical Scales
Diminished (WH)
Whole-tone (1-2-3-#4-#5-b7)

Bebop scales
Major (1-2-3-4-5-#5-6-7)
Minor (1-2-b3-3-4-5-6-b7)
Dominant (1-2-3-4-5-6-b7-7)
Half-Diminished (1-b2-b3-4-b5-5-b6-b7)

Blues scale (1-b3-4-b5-5-b7)

Pentatonic Scales
Pentatonic Major (1-2-3-5-6)
Pentatonic Minor (1-b3-4-5-b7)
Pentatonic Dominant (1-2-3-5-b7)

As an aside, here's a list of a bunch of modal pentatonics that you could take a look at:

Modal Pentatonics
Ionian Pentatonic #1: (1-3-4-5-7)
Ionian Pentatonic #2: (1-3-5-6-7)
Dorian Pentatonic #1: (1-b3-4-5-6)
Dorian Pentatonic #2: (1-b3-4-6-b7)
Phrygian Pentatonic #1: (1-b2-4-5-b7)
Phrygian Pentatonic #2: (1-b2-b3-5-b6)
Lydian Pentatonic: (1-3-#4-5-7)
Mixolydian/Dominant Pentatonic: (1-3-4-5-b7)
Aeolian/Natural Minor pentatonic: (1-b3-4-5-b7)
Locrian Pentatonic: (1-b3-4-b5-b7)
Melodic Minor Pentatonic: (1-b3-5-6-7)
Harmonic Minor Pentatonic: (1-b3-5-b6-7)
Lydian Dominant: (1-3-#4-5-b7)
Phrygian Dominant Pentatonic: (1-b2-3-5-b7)

Keep in mind that it's a long road to get everything down, and there's no point in learning the scales if you don't know how and why you can use them. Godspeed...
Modern Chord progressions, Chord Chemistry, and Single Note Soloing are about the most inclusive books i have ever seen in my life. pretty sure there's enough in these books to keep me busy for years.

just reccomending that u guys should check it out
^ I highly recommend getting the Jamey Aeborsold ii-V7-I book, it is an absolute gem when it comes to improvisation help. Ever since I got that book my soloing skills have gone way up.

Wow, thats a lot of scales, I never knew about some of them like the bebop scale. Looks like I'll be busy looking at that for a while.

And yea, Johnljones thing on the whole tone was really helpful, so look at that.

I think the Hal Leonard Jazz Guitar Method book has a few pages helping with creating chord melodies, it took me a while too but you'll eventually get it. Btw, I have a great chord melody of Christmas Time Is Here if anybody wants it, just pm me.
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Any bands you're trying to copy/sound like?