#1
is it possible to alternate pick as fast as it is to speed pick? like what kind of note speed can you pick up to? i know speed picking like 32nd notes and whatnot, but what about alternate picking?
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#2
What exactly is speed picking??? And im sure alternate picking is faster because it uses up and down strokes. And for how fast, well it all depends on the person.
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#4
speed picking is the whole up and down on one string, but i'm talking about alternate picking on different strings
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#5
The Sky is the limit on alternate picking, I know this will probably start an argument, and truly economy picking is superior in some situations and speed picking in some others, but if you listen to Patruci or watch him on the G3 videos he's in he's straight alternate picking some fast riffs. What your calling speed picking is still alternate picking, just done linear on one string. If you work on your technique think how much faster you can alternate pick across the strings instead of wasting alot of energy moving your left hand up the string. Technique is everything when it comes to picking of any type. Your only limitations are the ones you place upon yourself, or the ones your technique places on you. I suppose some people have physical restrictions as to how fast they can pick in alternate/economy ect, but most of my students get past their physical hinderances as their technique improves, and usually with picking the right hand is the problem.
#6
^ this is the only time you'll ever hear me say this in relation to Petrucci, but **** that. Gilbert is on G3, watch him. 32nd notes at 144bpm alt picking o.O

and yeah, alternate picking is just picking up and down picking, not picking across different strings specifically. i dont know if theres a specific name for that. "speed picking" isnt exactly a technical term..
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#7
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speed picking is the whole up and down on one string, but i'm talking about alternate picking on different strings



i think you mean speed picking as tremlo picking? ...where you pick one note very fast? is that what you mean?


im not sure if its possible, seeing as you will be slowed down by having to move from one string to the next
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yes but i was thinking its going to be slightly slower as you have to switch strings

you can play the same speed on each string, but overall it might be slower, plus trem picking on a low string might be slower because its thicker idk
#10
Believe it or not, I discovered I could tremelo pick by coincidence when I was just messin around with my guitar and tryin to come up with a riff of my own and suddenly I found myself alternate picking too fast in comparison with my usual speed and it hit me I finally found the perfect technique and hand chemistry to tremelo pick. Once you get that down (which could happen more systematically through practice) you need to focus on the speed by getting variable MIDIs to practice with until you get to your desired proficiency and speed.

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#11
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^ this is the only time you'll ever hear me say this in relation to Petrucci, but **** that. Gilbert is on G3, watch him. 32nd notes at 144bpm alt picking o.O

and yeah, alternate picking is just picking up and down picking, not picking across different strings specifically. i dont know if theres a specific name for that. "speed picking" isnt exactly a technical term..

dont be a smartass. Gilbert can't pick 32nd at 144 bpm. That's 76,8 notes per second. He doesn't even come close...nobody does! Gilbert can do 16th notes at 160, anyway somewhere round that.
#12
^ it's 19.2. Certainly if he was sweeping, maybe picking.

You can get up to about 21 if you're Guthrie Govan or Shawn Lane. Don't know what the limit is but those speeds are often on really difficult licks, i'm sure it'd be possible to get a little quicker on a single string sequence or summat.
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dont be a smartass. Gilbert can't pick 32nd at 144 bpm. That's 76,8 notes per second. He doesn't even come close...nobody does! Gilbert can do 16th notes at 160, anyway somewhere round that.


76.8 nps? No, it's 19.2, which sounds reasonable for someone as fast as Paul Gilbert. You multiply the notes per beat by the bpm (with 32nd notes, that's 8), not the notes for the bar.
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I wish I could play 76.8 nps.
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#15
I can play 76.8 nps

only problem is at that speed it sounds like I'm strumming

only I'm not, I'm sweeping
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76.8 nps? No, it's 19.2, which sounds reasonable for someone as fast as Paul Gilbert. You multiply the notes per beat by the bpm (with 32nd notes, that's 8), not the notes for the bar.

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^ it's 19.2. Certainly if he was sweeping, maybe picking.

You can get up to about 21 if you're Guthrie Govan or Shawn Lane. Don't know what the limit is but those speeds are often on really difficult licks, i'm sure it'd be possible to get a little quicker on a single string sequence or summat.


Faster than 21nps have to be melting the pick, i mean, i couldn't hear the difference between picking at 15nps and 20nps.
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#19
This is off topic but i didnt want to make a thread, figured this would be easier. When you alternate pick, do you hold your pick on an angle?
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^ this is the only time you'll ever hear me say this in relation to Petrucci, but **** that. Gilbert is on G3, watch him. 32nd notes at 144bpm alt picking o.O

and yeah, alternate picking is just picking up and down picking, not picking across different strings specifically. i dont know if theres a specific name for that. "speed picking" isnt exactly a technical term..



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^ this is the only time you'll ever hear me say this in relation to Petrucci, but **** that. Gilbert is on G3, watch him. 32nd notes at 144bpm alt picking o.O

and yeah, alternate picking is just picking up and down picking, not picking across different strings specifically. i dont know if theres a specific name for that. "speed picking" isnt exactly a technical term..



Gilbert isnt on g3?
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#27
whats with all you guys and "speed". whats the point if it sounds like complete shit.
like sweeping a whole A min scale. no point. Melody is what most people find intresting.
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#28
^ Yea dude i totally agree! Melody and speed can't coexist at the same time, the mere thought of such contradictory entities coinciding is overwhelming to say the very least!!
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I read a book one time about heavy metal picking, It was saying the fastest anyone could humamly pick is sixteenth notes at around 250 B.P.M.
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I read a book one time about heavy metal picking, It was saying the fastest anyone could humamly pick is sixteenth notes at around 250 B.P.M.

Hell that would do for me, anything faster than that would prolly sound crappy.
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whats with all you guys and "speed". whats the point if it sounds like complete shit.
like sweeping a whole A min scale. no point. Melody is what most people find intresting.


God forbid some people want to master their instrument technically so that they can play fast when they want to. But obviously, once people can play fast and accurately, that's all they do, without regard for melody at all. Right?

Go on and play at 0 BPM then. Nothing's going to come out. Who needs speed, right? Pretty stupid example, but it makes the point.

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what cracks me up is his name is shreddmaster...
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#34
I think that Steve Vai held the record at 21.8 nps according to a Total Guitar magazine article a few years ago as to the fastest picker. I think that the prerequisites for anyone getting mentioned in the article was that they had to be a)picking and b)sustaining it for a given length of time (i.e. not just a random flurry).

A lot of "I think" above, but it was few years ago when I read the article.
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I think that Steve Vai held the record at 21.8 nps according to a Total Guitar magazine article a few years ago as to the fastest picker. I think that the prerequisites for anyone getting mentioned in the article was that they had to be a)picking and b)sustaining it for a given length of time (i.e. not just a random flurry).

A lot of "I think" above, but it was few years ago when I read the article.


But i think that wasn't alternate picking but legato using tapping. I think is the tapping part of "The Riddle" from Passion And Warfare album.
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But i think that wasn't alternate picking but legato using tapping. I think is the tapping part of "The Riddle" from Passion And Warfare album.


You are probably right dude... it was a looooong time since I read that article.
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#37
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is it possible to alternate pick as fast as it is to speed pick? like what kind of note speed can you pick up to? i know speed picking like 32nd notes and whatnot, but what about alternate picking?


satch made it up to that number, i don't know of any faster. probably yngwie or someone like that.
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