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#1
I went to guitar center the other day and played all the tube amps they had, (JCM800, DSL100, TSL100, JSX, XXX, 6505, B-52, Diezel and a Double Rectifier) and the best sounding one to me was the 6505 (well besides, the Diezel, that thing was rediculous haha), which is what I came there to try anyway. My intention was to try out the 6505 and see if I liked it and then if I did, buy a used 5150. My question is, how close are the 6505 and 5150 in sound and everything? Are the pretty much exactly the same, or is the 6505 heavier sounding? Just wondering because if I have to buy the 6505 then I'll save up some more, but if the 5150 is the same thing than I might as well save myself $700.
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#2
The 6505 is the same as the 5150....6505+ the same as 5150II. If people tell you there are tone differences it was probably the cabinet. I'm not a huge fan of the peavey 5150/6505 cabinets, but the actual amp heads are amazing and good for any kind of gain.
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#3
5150 and 6505 are just about identical. You would likely not notice any difference unless you had both sitting right next to each other. THe cabinet is important. The 6505 sounds much better through a different cab than its own. My brother has a 6505+ and an avatar cab with Celestion GT75's - It crushes! We have also hooked up his 6505+ to my Mesa cab with V30's and it sounds great too, but I think I like the combo of 6505 and GT75's the best. The 6505 cab sounded OK, and the XXX cab sounded terrible!

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#4
Yeah, I already have a 1960b so there's no problem with a cab there. The one at the store was hooked up to the 6505 Cab, so I'd imagine it'd sound even better on mine. What's the difference between the 5150 and the 5150 II?
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#5
5150II has better cleans from what i hear.
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#6
The 5150 II has an extra preamp tube for the clean channel. And has a dedicated EQ for that channel.

The 5150 and 6505 are the EXACT same amp but different faces. Same with the 5150 II and the 6505+.

The 5150 has a touch more gain on tap than the 5150 II, but once you figure a good EQ out with these amps you realise the amount is more than you would ever need. Playing with the preamp over 7 sounds too fuzzy if you ask me, but a lot of people do it. I use a boost with mine with the gain on 4 and the sound is tight as hell.
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#7
Awesome, thanks for the info. Well I have a guy who's interested in selling his 5150 combo to me for $500, he said it's in mint condition with only 60 hours or so on it, retubed last year and was made in '99. I'll probably go try it out this weekend and hopefully it'll sound just as good as the 6505 I played in the store
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#8
the 5150 uses el34's and the 6505 uses 6L6's.eddie liked that marshall sound.
#9
You should go back and play all those amps at a reasonably high volume. IMO, the reason you probably think the 6505 sounded the best is because its got insane amounts of gain in the pre-amp alone - making it sound better at low volumes.

What kind of music are you into?
#10
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#11
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the 5150 uses el34's and the 6505 uses 6L6's.eddie liked that marshall sound.

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#12
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5150 should be wonderful for you.
#13
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the 5150 uses el34's and the 6505 uses 6L6's.eddie liked that marshall sound.



my 5150 uses 6L6's
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#14
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the 5150 uses el34's and the 6505 uses 6L6's.eddie liked that marshall sound.

lmao. I didnt even notice this post...

#15
Dispite what is said on Eurotubes, putting EL34s in a 5150 without mods will F*&K it up.
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#16
So if I were to get the combo, it wouldn't have any loss of distortion or tone or anything, it's just less watts right? Because I noticed it has less tubes than the head version does.
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Last edited by MatrixClaw at Feb 2, 2007,
#17
i have the 6505+ and have tried the 6505 right right beside eachother the only difference is the gain. i put the + on 8 and the 6505 was on 6.....but you would never go to 10 on the + because its just way too much fuzz. so if you need a bit of cleans get the +. but if you don't....then just get the 6505 regular....both are insane.
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#19
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5150 and 6505 are the same


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This thread is 4 years old
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You trying to make Derek look like a n00b?
#21
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5150 and 6505 are the same


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#23
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This thread is 4 years old
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You trying to make Derek look like a n00b?
I know, right?
I had that happen to me a week or so ago. Someone bumped a like 3 year old thread of mine where I was asking about a whammy pedal not damaging a guitar speaker. since I didn't know much about frequencies and stuff then.
made me look like a n00b.
#25


Meelad did it on purpose, cause he's a jerk
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#27
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#31


You know, I just realized that the 6505 I tried before making this thread was actually a 6505+. I'm just a nab.


FML.


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#32
The circuit of the 6505 and the 5150 are identical.
However, the original 5150s came with good sounding tubes.
The newer 6505s come with 're-branded' chinese tubes.

Other then cosmetics, there is absolutely no difference in the circuit.

Of course each amp will always sound slightly difference as there can be as much as a 20% inaccuracy/tolerance in the pots. Also some other components have a 5% tolerence (or margin of error if you will).

I've been a big 5150 for years. Stopped using them and ALWAYS came back to them.

However, I really have to tell you to try out a Bugera 6260.
Its bias adjustable, and hits its "sweet spot" at a MUCH lower volume then the 5150.
Plus the Bugera has a much better sounding clean channel (if that is even important to you)

The tone king did a pretty crappy comparison between the 5150 and the 6260.
Here is an awesome comparison between a 6262 and 5150 II.

As you can see, the Bugera holds its own even while having the WORST tubes in existence (Behringer!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ghM952BB8

Finally, someone put up a good comparison.....
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#33
Quote by theraven871
The circuit of the 6505 and the 5150 are identical.
However, the original 5150s came with good sounding tubes.
The newer 6505s come with 're-branded' chinese tubes.

Other then cosmetics, there is absolutely no difference in the circuit.

Of course each amp will always sound slightly difference as there can be as much as a 20% inaccuracy/tolerance in the pots. Also some other components have a 5% tolerence (or margin of error if you will).

I've been a big 5150 for years. Stopped using them and ALWAYS came back to them.

However, I really have to tell you to try out a Bugera 6260.
Its bias adjustable, and hits its "sweet spot" at a MUCH lower volume then the 5150.
Plus the Bugera has a much better sounding clean channel (if that is even important to you)

The tone king did a pretty crappy comparison between the 5150 and the 6260.
Here is an awesome comparison between a 6262 and 5150 II.

As you can see, the Bugera holds its own even while having the WORST tubes in existence (Behringer!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ghM952BB8

Finally, someone put up a good comparison.....

lol look at the date of the op
plus im not sure if the bugera had stock tubes in that clip..
#34
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lol look at the date of the op
plus im not sure if the bugera had stock tubes in that clip..


Still an interesting comparison, no?

The artist said he used stock tubes.
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#35
Quote by theraven871
As you can see, the Bugera holds its own even while having the WORST tubes in existence (Behringer!)

First, Behringer doesn't make their own tubes.

Last I heard, these were being shipped with rebranded TADs in them, which are actually very good tubes. Even if they were using Sovtek (which are the worse IMO), those still aren't bad tubes. The problem is, they don't bias their amps correctly.


Second, this thread is 4 years old. I've owned probably 6 5150s/5150 IIs/6505+s since then (I actually don't think I've ever had a 6505...hmm....... ). I now own a bias modded 5150 and a Diezel Herbert
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Last edited by MatrixClaw at Mar 8, 2011,
#37
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This thread is 4 years old
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You trying to make Derek look like a n00b?


seriously, before i saw your post i was just reading the thread and wondering why matrixclaw was making a thread like this and figured it was probably some joke for an elaborate new gear day
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#39
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Ahhhh.....typo. I meant to say that I've been a big 5150 USER for years.

Although, with responses like that, I'm glad I made the typo.
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#40

I knew what you meant, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity for some fun in Paint!
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