#1
If you had around $500 to spend on a combo amp, which means you can afford a middle-high end SS one or a lower end Tube one, is there really much of a difference? I know everyone says Tube amps are better, but is that mainly compared to lower end SS amps? How do better SS amps compare to similar priced Tube amps?
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#2
Depends on WHICH tube amp/SS you're getting.

Just get a decent used tube amp.
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#3
You have a Schecter Hellraiser which has EMGs. You need a tube amp with active pickups or your setup is going to sound like crap.
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You have a Schecter Hellraiser which has EMGs. You need a tube amp with active pickups or your setup is going to sound like crap.


Shut up.

People really exagerrate the whole "EMGS NEED T00BZ" theory. Not as much as "Tube >SS" one though.

I'd take a nice SS amp over something like a Valveking any day.
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#5
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Shut up.

People really exagerrate the whole "EMGS NEED T00BZ" theory. Not as much as "Tube >SS" one though.

I'd take a nice SS amp over something like a Valveking any day.


You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.
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#6
You can get a good, used mid range tube amp for $500 (presuming it's US$). I'd even take an Ashdown Fallen Angel over most SS amps I've heard but that's me. What is most important is what it sounds like to you, you're the one that has to play it. Sure the majority prefer tube amps, I'm one of them too but I do know people (well metalheads so kinda people) that prefer SS.
#7
Well my SS amp is a good one, cost me $550. My local guitar shop owner raved about how good it was and that SS amps work better for people in apartments because, according to him, you need to crank a Tube amp to near full volume to get the best sound, where an SS amp sounds the same at all volumes. He also said this Crate amp was the first one after Crate and Ampeg were bought out by the same company, so he said it was basically an Ampeg amp on the inside, with the Crate name on the outside.

Basically I am just questioning his logic/advice and seeing if I spent my $$$ on the best amp in that price range. It's too late to return it, this is more for my sanity.
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#8
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You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.


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Well my SS amp is a good one, cost me $550. My local guitar shop owner raved about how good it was and that SS amps work better for people in apartments because, according to him, you need to crank a Tube amp to near full volume to get the best sound, where an SS amp sounds the same at all volumes. He also said this Crate amp was the first one after Crate and Ampeg were bought out by the same company, so he said it was basically an Ampeg amp on the inside, with the Crate name on the outside.

Basically I am just questioning his logic/advice and seeing if I spent my $$$ on the best amp in that price range. It's too late to return it, this is more for my sanity.

Most tube amps at low volumes > solid states at any volume. Just because you don't get the best sound doesn't mean you don't get a wonderful sound.
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#10
Ummm. The output of the pickup is going to boost the amp, regaurdless of tube or SS signal path. Its just that most tube preamps sound better than SS.
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#11
i'm with timi- i'd much rather have a higher end SS than a low-end tube.
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Well my SS amp is a good one, cost me $550. My local guitar shop owner raved about how good it was and that SS amps work better for people in apartments because, according to him, you need to crank a Tube amp to near full volume to get the best sound, where an SS amp sounds the same at all volumes. He also said this Crate amp was the first one after Crate and Ampeg were bought out by the same company, so he said it was basically an Ampeg amp on the inside, with the Crate name on the outside.

Basically I am just questioning his logic/advice and seeing if I spent my $$$ on the best amp in that price range. It's too late to return it, this is more for my sanity.

lol first rule, never trust the guys at guitar shops, NEVER!

Yes tube amps need to be cranked to get their full potential but most still sound good at lower volume, especially if they have a master volume so you can still crank the preamp. I'm willing to bet he never told you that tube amps can be attenuated too for a good saturation at low volume either? And SS do start to crap out when really pushed too so no they don't sound the same at any volume, until they crap out cause of clipping they will generally sound the same though. Like I said I prefer tube amps, even at lower volume so I'm going to tell you that you could have done better but if you like the amp then all is good.
#14
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If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.


how?

since you know all
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#15
lyke, zomgxorz u cud by an Marshle MG!!lolZ!

But really, you could get a nice SS or tube amp for that price.
The Ashdown Fallen Angel DSP 40 is goin' for 399.99 new, that's 40W all tube into a 12" speaker, which is enough for small to medium gigs.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ashdown-Fallen-Angel-40-DSP-Guitar-Combo?sku=485043

I guess Peavey has a new Windsor coming out, that retails for 399.99, so it'll probably be about 300 new on MF. It'll be badass as shit, cuz, well, Windsors are badass as shit.

You could get a hybrid Rocktron Vendetta (tube overdrive channel) for 450, 2x12, 160W.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=480949

You could get a Pignose G40V all tube 1x10 40W for 319.99
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pignose-G40V-Tube-Amp?sku=489052

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-RG75G3-G3-Series-Guitar-Combo-Amp-?sku=480334
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#16
boy, i swore OD pedals didn't drive tubes harder. but since wingedgopher knows everything, i must be wrong.
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#17
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lyke, zomgxorz u cud by an Marshle MG!!lolZ!

But really, you could get a nice SS or tube amp for that price.
The Ashdown Fallen Angel DSP 40 is goin' for 399.99 new, that's 40W all tube into a 12" speaker, which is enough for small to medium gigs.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ashdown-Fallen-Angel-40-DSP-Guitar-Combo?sku=485043

I guess Peavey has a new Windsor coming out, that retails for 399.99, so it'll probably be about 300 new on MF. It'll be badass as shit, cuz, well, Windsors are badass as shit.

You could get a hybrid Rocktron Vendetta (tube overdrive channel) for 450, 2x12, 160W.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=480949

You could get a Pignose G40V all tube 1x10 40W for 319.99
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pignose-G40V-Tube-Amp?sku=489052

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-RG75G3-G3-Series-Guitar-Combo-Amp-?sku=480334

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#18
Quote by soccerdude3465
Most tube amps at low volumes > solid states at any volume. Just because you don't get the best sound doesn't mean you don't get a wonderful sound.



Also, if you get a tube amp with a master volume, you can turn the tubes to full blast but control the output volume. (sound just as good at lower volumes).
#19
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Also, if you get a tube amp with a master volume, you can turn the tubes to full blast but control the output volume. (sound just as good at lower volumes).

That only cranks the preamp tubes, not the power amp tubes so it's not as good as full saturation. It's just a lot of people seem to think tube amps sound bad at low volume, generally they don't sound bad they just sound better at high volume.
#21
This is kind of a dumb question. Of course a high end SS is going to sound better than a low end tube. High end SS can run pretty high in cost and quality, but a lowend tube amp can cost $300 and sound like fizz.
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#22
lol like your sig, its classic, and to stay on topic, i have limited experience with tube amps , but i would just read some reviews on the less expensive tube amps and compare?
#23
But can you really trust anyone who has spent so much time doing maths homework that they express their opinions in mathematical symbols to save themselves typing two words.

Tube>SS is hardly a well thought out argument. It's not even English.
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#24
So what are some of the very best SS combos? All I can think of is the Roland JC (guitar teacher has it, it is brilliant)

are there any other REALLY good ones?
#25
^^

hmm...

Randall G2 or G3

Ampeg amps (I don't know the models, I've just heard of them)

Roland JC120

I forgot the other brands but they're good for SS...
#26
If I had $500 and needed an amp, I'd get the best one I could find on the used market. And I can pretty much guarantee you that it would be all tube.
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#27
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You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.


You sound so knowledgeable. I know exactly how I'm going to own you.

You're a presumptous, self-righteous dick.

If you knew that the only thing an "active" pickup does in contrast to a passive was incorporating a signal booster (preamp) into the pickup circuit itself, you would know enough to not post stupid shit on forums that make you sound, and look, monumentally retarded.

Active pickups aren't "designed to work with tube amps", it's just that an active pickup's output signal is stronger, and a high-gain tube amp can handle the higher output better. This isn't to say that all tube amps can handle EMG's or actives. It all depends on how the circuit of the amp is constructed, and whether or not you can judge if your amp is good for active pickups or not. Several professionals run EMG's through high-end SS amps, and they get decent tone. So please, go play an EMG-equipped guitar through a Fender Blues Deluxe (or if you want to actually answer TS's question, a Peavey Valveking) and tell me it sounds "infinitely better" than the same guitar through a Line6 Vetta II. Eat shit.
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#28
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Several professionals run EMG's through high-end SS amps, and they get decent tone.


Who the hell would want 'decent' tone? Anything below 'great' is just not good enough.
#29
Quote by wingedgopher
You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.


Well as your insult was so crap, I won't try very hard either. U R n00b.

I didn't say they wouldn't sound better. I was saying that people (i.e. you) exagerrate the difference in EMG's performance through SS amps as opposed to valve amps. EMGs will only sound "like crap" through an SS amp if it sucks. You can get decent tones out of EMGs with a solid state amp.

Oh, and from what I gather, OD pedals were designed before SS amps were widely produced. Hence they couldn't really be designed for anything other than valve amps, eh?

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#30
Quote by wingedgopher
You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.


but all pickups are pretty much designed to work with tube amps. any pickup will sound (generally) better through a kickass tube amp.

That's a bit like saying "Fords drive better when there isn't snow on the road"...


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Most tube amps at low volumes > solid states at any volume. Just because you don't get the best sound doesn't mean you don't get a wonderful sound.


+1


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Also, if you get a tube amp with a master volume, you can turn the tubes to full blast but control the output volume. (sound just as good at lower volumes).


no, that's getting you preamp overdrive, not power tube.


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boy, i swore OD pedals didn't drive tubes harder. but since wingedgopher knows everything, i must be wrong.


if you crank the level on them, they'll drive your preamp tubes harder, yes.
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#32
^

I read down this thread and died a little inside...

Not that I aim to "pwn" anyone, I just don't want dodgy advice passed off as gospel...
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#33
I havnt really read the thread lol.
Just this;
Originally Posted by wingedgopher
You sound so knowledgable. I can't imagine how I'm going to find a way to make fun of you.

Oh yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

If you knew anything about the way active pickups work you would understand that they are designed to work with tube amps and therefore with sound infinitely better with a tube amp. It's the same way with overdrive pedals.



What a tool.

Theres probably a lot of n00bish stuff in here. People just dont understand the advantages/disadvantages of a tube or SS amp. Or the amp that suits their needs for a certain situation...etc.

A perfect example is all the "Get an Epi VJ! Theyre all t00b!". If I had a nickel for every time thats been suggested to a kid who was looking at MicroCubes...
#34
I dont know shit, but i say get the amp YOU think sounds the best with your current rig. SS or tube won't matter much if YOU like it. My 2cents.
#35
Quote by matt bickerton
So what are some of the very best SS combos? All I can think of is the Roland JC (guitar teacher has it, it is brilliant)

are there any other REALLY good ones?

Line 6 Vetta (yes, line 6 do actually have some good amps)
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#36
Randall also makes very good SS amps.
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A perfect example is all the "Get an Epi VJ! Theyre all t00b!". If I had a nickel for every time thats been suggested to a kid who was looking at MicroCubes...


agreed. and you'd have about $7. which'd be awesome.
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