#1
This is a serious topic, so please try to restrain from yo momma jokes and that's what she said. I was wondering if retarded people know that they're retarded. Do they know that something is wrong with them? I've been thinking about this for a while because at my high school, we have a program for retarded kids. There is this one kid who is totally awesome. He always talks about how he goes to beaches and scopes out the hotties. He's so funny. He can carry on a regular conversation, but you can tell he's a little bit slow and he drools sometimes. But other than that he seems like any other teenage boy. So he's smart enough to understand he has a mental disability, right? I don't know, it's just been on my mind for a while. Once again, please try to keep this serious. I do love my share of "shoop da woop", but this just isn't the thread.

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#2
it depends on the actual disability

im taking a course right on disability, and most of the time, most mentally handicapped people understand they are different but not the actual "retardation." but truthfully, it all depends on the actual person

i do know this, all of them want to be treated and viewed as a regular person, thats probably the biggest topic we discuss in the class
#3
Generally, the mentally handicapped that are just barely off do realize they have something up with them, but the profoundly handicapped that need assisted living for their whole life usually don't.
That's been my experience, anyways
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It depends on how retarded they are. Yeah, som know. Some are probably so disabled though, they have no idea. Some have mental capacities of 6 year olds and most 6 year olds do not understand what retardation is...
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yeah, ive also heard that they just want to be treated like everyone else. I treat my (mentally handicapped) friend I talked about earlier just like any other friend of mine. Lol, he went a date with this one chick (I never met her, so I don't know if she has a disability also) and afterwards, I asked if he scored. He said "yeah dude, I wish". My friends and i laughed so hard, but some girls at my school said that I was horrible for that. I think they're dumb for wanting me to sugarcoat everything. He's older than I am, I'm not gonna pretend he's five and ask him if he held her hand and asked what her favorite color is. It's true, they want me to treat them like any of my other friends.
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#9
You asked him if he scored ass?

You seem to be on the right track, treating them like eveyone else
#10
The only reason they probably know is because some ****er tells them they are stupider then other people. Not necessarily true, that's just what they are told.
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#11
You know they always want to be treated like individuals and they should, but you gotta know there are somethings they're not gonna look at the same way as we do so overlook if they say something out of place and act normal about it..........or am I wrong for doing this?
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#12
Sometimes people with disabilities have more insight then people without them.
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#13
ive often thought about this as well. there's this kid at my school who actually acts like one of my friends. sort of sad because he doesnt seem too bright. of course, not his fault. but anyway, last year he came up to my friend's girlfriend and offered her a dandelion. he said "it's for you" and she just said "oh, thats pretty" and treated him like a little kid. after he left, looking sad because she didnt take the flower, i asked her if she realized how fukt up that was. anywho, this year, my friends and i have had some experiences with him. one time, he came up behind us and said "who's your daddy?" so now one of them always calls him daddy. i treat him just like one of them, and he acts just like them, except he doesnt hang out with us all the time. i believe we should treat retarded kids just like we treat our "normal" friends.
#14
I agree with you IfUr555Im666 . I treat my retarded friends just like any of my other friends. I joke around with them and treat them just like anyone else. From the sound of it, the boy who offered your friend's gf a flower has a slightly worse disability than the friend I was talking about in the earlier post, but it's the same idea. It's just annoying to see someone treat a person with a disability like they would a 7 year old. Just because a retarded person is slow, this does not mean they are in any way stupid. Some may act younger and less mature, but they can definitely tell when someone treats them normally or as if they aren't normal. As if they were a lesser being. I find this disgusting and just wanted to dedicate a thread to it.
Note: I haven't at all studied mental disabilities. My opinions are drawn from my personal beliefs, so don't think that I'm a genius on the topic!
Thanks to everyone who has posted! This is a very meaningful topic to me and I'm glad to see everybody taking it seriously and posting their thoughts.
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#15
When i was in little school my only friend had downs syndrone. He couldn't really talk properly but i could understand what he was saying through his gestures and stuff. I guess he must have known he was different because he always had to be cared for and looked after.. but we used to have fun hanging out and stuff.
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People with light down syndrome probably do. People with intensely heavy down syndrome probably don't.
It makes me wonder though- What if I'm retarded and I just don't realise it?
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#17
of course they dont..otherwise they wont be retarded. if they knew they where retarded then theyd try not to be one.


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of course they dont..otherwise they wont be retarded. if they knew they where retarded then theyd try not to be one.


To the threadstarter: i think youre a retard for asking such a retard question


You are so wrong here.

Ive got a few cases of this. My mom was a TA for this girl a couple years ago that couldnt do anything at all. She was 18 at the time, but had the intelligence of an 8 year old. She was in a wheel chair all the time, and couldnt talk. Now even she knew that she was different. She questioned a lot why she was different than the rest of us.

Another instance was tonight with me. I was at youth group, and there is this one guy. Hes 18 i think, but he has some kind of disability. Not sure what, but he cant talk right, and his face is a little messed up structure wise. But I could treat him like everyone else there. In fact, we were fighting with plastic bats for a while. You just have to be normal around them, cause they in essense are normal too. Just with different thought patterns.
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#19
I think you're a retard for using the term. 'My retarded friend' 'Retarded people'. It's not exactly a fair term.
One of my friends brothers has a mental illness (what it is I don't know) and you can tell somthing isn't right, but he knows he has it and it gets him down, but he's a good guy none the less. People with light autism also know, those who have exceptional mathematical ability with autism for example understand they're not like 'normal' people but they live with it.
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#20
Simple solution, next time you talk to him, ask him if he's aware that dribble is infact running down his chin.
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It depends on the severity.
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There is this guy in my class with Autism. he doesnt seem "Normal" like the guy you said, but yes he knows he has autism, but i dont think they can ever..fully understand it..Anyways yeah sometimes their hilarious. The TA he has from our school is this old lady..she really weird..anyways This kid is actually really smart, smarter than his TA. and If he does something right, she tries to correct him, he goes MAD swearing, he even threatened to put spiders in her coffee once.



Autistics are people I would not count as retarded (I hate that word more than any other) I seee them as socially disabled as most of them are much more logical than us and can do more than us they are just not good with people

I advise everyone the read "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime" by Mark Haddon it is a great insight to a mentally disabled kids life.

I treat everyone the same including all forms of disabled people because I dont know they are disabled maybe they are the next step in evolution.
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I think you're a retard for using the term. 'My retarded friend' 'Retarded people'. It's not exactly a fair term.
One of my friends brothers has a mental illness (what it is I don't know) and you can tell somthing isn't right, but he knows he has it and it gets him down, but he's a good guy none the less. People with light autism also know, those who have exceptional mathematical ability with autism for example understand they're not like 'normal' people but they live with it.



So you're calling me the name "retard" as an insult because I used the word "retard". I didn't call someone a retard to hurt them, like you just did. I was simply using the term retard, short for mental retardation. When I said "retard" I wasn't being mean. I was simply saying that my friend is retarded. Maybe in your mind being retarded is a bad thing being that you called me a retard as an attempt to insult me, but I really don't think being retarded is bad at all. So when you said "I think you're a retard for using the term. 'My retarded friend' 'Retarded people'" , you really didn't insult me. You just made yourself look bad, you stupid hypocrit.
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So you're calling me the name "retard" as an insult because I used the word "retard". I didn't call someone a retard to hurt them, like you just did. I was simply using the term retard, short for mental retardation. When I said "retard" I wasn't being mean. I was simply saying that my friend is retarded. Maybe in your mind being retarded is a bad thing being that you called me a retard as an attempt to insult me, but I really don't think being retarded is bad at all. So when you said "I think you're a retard for using the term. 'My retarded friend' 'Retarded people'" , you really didn't insult me. You just made yourself look bad, you stupid hypocrit.



Score, well played! I hate ultra PC nitwits.

I knew a couple of the retarded kids at my school(oh, my mistake, "special needs" students.). Sometimes at lunch they'd walk around and just try to talk to people, just a simple "hi what's up?" and then "what are you eating?" then they'd wonder off to another group of people. I'd talk to whoever walked up to me like any other person. I was suprised when Joel(he was a very energetic fellow with a type of Down Syndrome I think.) was a big a fan of Resident Evil as me. More well-mannered than 90% of the "normal" kids. There were always these groups of assholes that'd somehow convince a couple of them to go and do stupid shit and get in trouble though(stuff like "go kiss that girl, she loves you!", stuff like that). That kind of thing always got under my skin and pissed me off. A couple people got together and I think got that group of assholes suspended for a while because of it.

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#25
if there drooling and going wohahah ahhaah then im sure they do ,the ones that are a wee bit then they might but am sure yo mama does (sory couldnt help it)
#26
The thing with mental disabilities is they can vary massively, so asking if mentally disabled people in general are aware of their disability's pretty much unanswerable. Some will be aware, at least to some extent, that they're different from most people, others mightn't be.

I have a brother who's quite severely mentally retarded, and I've often wondered how self aware he is. I can tell he realises that he isn't the same as most people - he knows he needs help with most things, and he knows most people can do those things for him, so that shows some awareness of his own disability and that most people don't share those limitations. He also notices other mentally disabled people when we're out, and tends to be drawn towards other disabled people generally, so he's quite obviously aware that they're different from normal people and that he's got that in common with them.

Another thing I've noticed is that he likes nothing more than pointing out when I don't know something. I think that's because he's aware that he can't do most things normal people can and he's severely limited in what he can learn (he can't read at all for example), so when he does know something I don't it's... I don't know how to describe... like a role-reversal, he's helping me. It's like a little victory over his disability, so I'm sure he is aware that he's different and less able than most people, but I don't think he has any understanding of why or anything like that.

I think he'll be quite a bit worse than the kids you're encountering if they're in amongst normal school kids, my brother's been in specialist schools and that kind of thing his whole life.

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It depends on how retarded they are. Yeah, som know. Some are probably so disabled though, they have no idea. Some have mental capacities of 6 year olds and most 6 year olds do not understand what retardation is...


Well, I'd say my brother's mental capacity is probably less than that of an average six year old but he's aware of his disability. But yeah, some people I've met are so bad I doubt they really know much about what's going on around them. I think there's a pretty huge difference between someone having an awareness that they aren't the same as most people and them having a proper understanding of their mental condition, I don't think I've met many mentally disabled people who really understand why they're different, but there are probably quite a few who realise to some extent that they are.

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I treat my retarded friends just like any of my other friends. I joke around with them and treat them just like anyone else

Your friend sounds like s/he isn't too badly affected so it's great that you can and do treat them normally. Only thing I'd say about that general line of thinking is that when you get some people who are worse off you can't always treat them as you would any other person. Example: I know a guy with Down's Syndrome, he's really sociable and quite independent. You can tell straight away from seeing him he has Down's, but you can go down the pub with him and watch the football like you would with any mate, after a couple of drinks he'll have his arm round you and be telling you about why your football team's rubbish. Then there's another guy I know through my brother who looks absolutely normal, but if he doesn't know you and you try to talk to him he can get really uncomfortable then flip out.

Treating mentally disabled people as you would a normal person's a nice idea but the simple fact is they're mentally disabled, sometimes you can treat them like a mate, but sometimes you do need to alter the way you relate to them, and be more tolerant of some of the things they might do.

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there are somethings they're not gonna look at the same way as we do so overlook if they say something out of place and act normal about it..........or am I wrong for doing this?

I don't think you're wrong for doing that. I hope it's not wrong I do it all the time Yeah but seriously like I was saying, it's a nice idea to try to treat them as you would a normal person but you've got to make allowances for them. I'll give another example: I was at a cousin's wedding a year or two ago and during the speeches my brother turns and tells the table he needs a poo (he's 25). Now, you don't get much more out of place than that. If I'd said that I would've got a right spanking, but obviously you've got to make allowances when they say things that are a bit out of place.

It was hilarious though.

As for the term "retard" my only problem is that it's mostly used in a derogatory way, even though it is technically correct.

I'm gonna stop waffling now.

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people with OCD are completely aware of thier condition and how abnormal it is and this makes the condition create a higher level of anexity for them , people who aren't aware have OCPD and rationalise thier behaviour as people perfectly normal where as standard Obssessive compulsives do not, they know it's abnormal yet they cannot help it.
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So you're calling me the name "retard" as an insult because I used the word "retard". I didn't call someone a retard to hurt them, like you just did. I was simply using the term retard, short for mental retardation. When I said "retard" I wasn't being mean. I was simply saying that my friend is retarded. Maybe in your mind being retarded is a bad thing being that you called me a retard as an attempt to insult me, but I really don't think being retarded is bad at all. So when you said "I think you're a retard for using the term. 'My retarded friend' 'Retarded people'" , you really didn't insult me. You just made yourself look bad, you stupid hypocrit.

The word can have two meanings. In my case, I was using it to insult you. As a term for the mentally handicapped, with the intention of insulting them, it's unacceptable.
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The word can have two meanings. In my case, I was using it to insult you. As a term for the mentally handicapped, with the intention of insulting them, it's unacceptable.

I don't think he was intending to insult them though
#32
/\ thank you GiantRaven. You're completely right. So dinkydaisy, please point out in any of my posts where I used the term "retard" as in any way offensive. If you can find ONE that is reasonable, I will definitely apologize and attempt to correct my horrible ways. I would like to add that I'm not usually a fan of insulting people over the internet. I'm sorry that your friend's brother gets sad because of his illness. I'm sorry if any "mentally disabled" person felt in any way offended by my thread. That wasn't my original intention so I'm a little upset at what this thread has turned into. I don't want this to turn into a huge argument, so I'll try to remember that when I use the term "retard" some people might get the idea that I'm using it offensively.
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re·tard /rɪˈtɑrd, for 1–3, 5; ˈritɑrd for 4/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-tahrd, for 1–3, 5; ree-tahrd for 4] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) 1. to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
–verb (used without object) 2. to be delayed.
–noun 3. a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
4. Slang: Disparaging. a. a mentally retarded person.
b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.

retarded is actually the correct term. it means that these people's thought patterns are slower than 'regular' people's. unfortunately, people tend to use this term in a derogatory (sp?) way, so it has become un-PC.