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#1
I'm soon to buy a new amp.. Probably going for a Marshall JCM900 or JCM2000 DSL, with a 1960 cab or something.
Going to buy them used though..

Only "problem" is the 100W...! Do i really need that much?!
I'm going to be using it at home, band practice and offcourse gigs.. Playing metal!

I'm not going to be able to try them out first though, cause they're pretty far away.. And it's just useless to ask the local music/guitarshop for advice...!! They don't have any of those amps there either..
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#2
i wouldnt say u need more than 50 whats of tube power, any gigs that ull need more than that ull be mic'd anyways. I've played to a crowd of 200 people un mic'd with my peavey classic 50 and i didnt go over half volume.

saying that, some people like to saturate the valves with high wattage output the turn their guitar down, i find u loose abit of dynamic sensitivity like that but it depends on your taste, for metal this might not be a fantastic idea...
Last edited by Atreideslegend at Feb 2, 2007,
#3
^ hes right. go with 50watts. its cheaper and sounds better at lower volumes. i have a jcm 800 with 50 watts and its more than enough
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#4
No, you probably don't need it... but both amps come in 50w versions, which will be WAY louder than you'll need (seriously), and will get the power tubes breaking up at lower volumes. Unless 1) you're playing massive venues 2) the 100w version had extra functions that you need or 3) you desperately need the clean headroom, I would pretty much always recommend a 50w over a 100w amp.
#5
But the ones I have found are 100W...!=/

I could MAYBE buy a JCM800 though.. I found one which is 50W.. But they're so old.. I think that one was 19 years or something.. It wasn't that old to be a JCM800, but still..
I play mostly heavy metal so I'm not sure the 800 would suit me very well.. Allthoug I could use my v-amp2 or buy a pedal..
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Marshall JCM2000 DSL
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#6
A JCM800 with a good overdrive pedal will do metal no problem. Either that or maybe wait around for a bit til you find a 50w 900 or 2000...
#7
Dude, the JCM800 is the metal icon amp. It's definitely the best out of all the JCM's...
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#8
Really..? I mean.. It is kinda.. Old..?
But on the other hand. I don't need as many modes on the channels as the DSL got..
And it would be cool to have a JCM800

But is great for Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Label Society stuff..?
Do i even get close to that without any pedals?
On any of these amps..?

And the other guitarist in the band has the DSL401, so I thought it maybe would be good to buy a DSL..
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#9
zakk wylde kinda uses jcm 800 2203 series amp, of course his is custom but yeah an 800 will do those, and for metallica and iron maiden get an od pedal and you'll be fine.
#10
Take everything you think you know about wattage and through it out the window. DO NOT listen to the people here saying shit like "Oh noez! Not 100watts!!!! Get 50!" Dont listen to that crap. 100watts is fine.
#11
idk 100 watts tube is pretty loud, but listen to kurt anyway, hes from washington.
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#12
100 watt tube is too much. Youll never be able to really crank it and get all the poweramp distortion. Go with 50w. Try the JCM800 before you buy it. Ive heard great things and horrible things about it from different people.
#13
Quote by ESPjohn666
100 watt tube is too much.

HAVNT YOU HEARD ANYTHING THAT ME, EROCK, GPDEREK, DAVE_MC...etc. HAVE SAID IN THE PAST?!

100watts isnt "too much".
#14
^like what?

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#15
Man I have 120W tube, its fine. I just dont turn it up all the way, and if it was THAT big of a deal to get the whole "cranked tube break-up" and such, I would use an attenuator. I agree with kurdt, its not a big deal to have such a high watt amp.
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#16
I would concede that 100w is not "too much". It is however unnecessary in most situations. Hence if there is a choice, I'd normally advise 50w.

I had a 5150 for a while, and even in my house I could get great sounds out of it.
#17
Quote by A7XRemenissions
idk 100 watts tube is pretty loud, but listen to kurt anyway, hes from washington.


He's from the liberal/communist/homosexual part of Washington. Though a 100 watts is fine, as he said.
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#18
100W tube is never "too much", but it makes it harder to get that nice tube sound at low volumes. I have a 100W Marshall head and it sounds killer, but I need to crank it alot to make the full potential of the tubes. The louder the better tone, and that is easier with low wattage.
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#19
Great.. Everyone's arguing... Helped me alot!
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#20
dude... to make your decision easier this is basically everything thats been said in this thread so far (apart from the random insults by kurdt )

1) ~100 watts:
+ you can play bigger gigs (youll be mic'ed anyway)
+ you are gonna kick your other guitarists ass
- spend more money on amp -> spend less on pedals (i f you want/need them)
- at lower volumes you dont get this nice tube sound so easily (some 100w amps have a switch to reduce the power to 50w = problem solved)

2) ~50 watts:
+ good for most medium-sized gigs (clubs etc.)
+ you are still gonna kick your other guitarists ass
- spend less money on the amp -> spend more on pedals
- even at lower volumes the tubes overdrive nicely
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#21
100 watts is okay but its a pain if you have neighbours. any way if you got 50 watt youll get the full distortion.
#22
Hmm....you can always get an attenuator man.
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#23
Yeah, I could..! Are those expensive? How about the noise? If I turn the amp volume up high, and the attenuator low..?


And I'm considering to buy a JCM800 with a 2x12 and a 4x12 cab.. It's a 50W and it isn't too expensive either.. But it is used though.. And it is like 18 years old..=/ Think it's worth it anyway?
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Last edited by |IronMaiden| at Feb 3, 2007,
#24
Quote by |IronMaiden|
Yeah, I could..! Are those expensive? How about the noise? If I turn the amp volume up high, and the attenuator low..?


And I'm considering to buy a JCM800 with a 2x12 and a 4x12 cab.. It's a 50W and it isn't too expensive either.. But it is used though.. And it is like 18 years old..=/ Think it's worth it anyway?

They go from 80-200 bucks.
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#25
I hear a lot of good stuff about the Weber Mass Lite 100W, it costs like $160.
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#26
Quote by |IronMaiden|
Great.. Everyone's arguing... Helped me alot!


Maybe it just means that some people want, need or don't mind 100 watts and other people don't and none of us are psychic so we don't know if that means you.

Some of this stuff you'll have to figure out.

My advice is that 50 watts should be plenty. If you need more than that you're either playing halls with over 900 people or your stage volume is way too freeking loud.

Ron
#27
Well, I'm leaning a bit towards the JCM800! Sounds friggin awsome to me..:P And it's 50W! Brilliant!
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#28
^

Mine is going to be 100W...i'll be playing it in a small apartment...I CAN'T WAIT.


lulz.

Btw, to the dude who has the webber--how is it?
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#29
An old JCM 800 is the way to go man. They sound ****ing awesome
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#30
Quote by ESPjohn666
100 watt tube is too much. Youll never be able to really crank it and get all the poweramp distortion. Go with 50w. Try the JCM800 before you buy it. Ive heard great things and horrible things about it from different people.



You'll never get what you're looking for if you listen to this bullshit.
#31
Quote by |IronMaiden|
Yeah, I could..! Are those expensive? How about the noise? If I turn the amp volume up high, and the attenuator low..?


And I'm considering to buy a JCM800 with a 2x12 and a 4x12 cab.. It's a 50W and it isn't too expensive either.. But it is used though.. And it is like 18 years old..=/ Think it's worth it anyway?

I hear marshall jcm's stay fit for a LONG time.

My combo that i'm getting evidently is from 1984 (as in the model) I'm not too sure how old it is, but man...vintage stuff ftw!

And yes, it's defintaley worth it if you're into the music i'm into *points to my profile*
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#32
I prefer 100w not only because it is louder, but because my friends think I'm cooler.
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#33
Quote by soccerdude3465
I prefer 100w not only because it is louder, but because my friends think I'm cooler.


They're not THAT much louder.. But you have a point with the second statement.
#34
Well, I do wanna be cool! But with the JCM800 i get a 2x12 AND a 4x12 cabinet!
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#36
My main rig is a 1985 JCM 800 4104, the 50W 2x12 combo with the G12-65 speakers that I usually use with a closed back 1936 cab. Huge sounding.

You'll dig it the most.

Ron
#37
Oh, you own one too, bro? ^

I guess that's the reason why you reccommended it to me then, eh? heh. Well, cheers everyone, I'm going to start a jcm 800 club, ronsonic and iron maiden, ya'll better join :P.
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#38
Quote by Sir Garfield
what will you have to pay for the 800/2x12/4x12 deal?



About 1 869$.. Or something..

Or 1 445 Euros..
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#40
I don't think any of these 100W have the option to switch to 50W...
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