#1
^^do i follow that triad thing like the first chord would be 1 3b 5, then 2 4 6b and so on.

and how do i know which chords are minor, diminished, major etc?

do minor harmonic scales follow the

major
minor
minor
major
major
minor
diminished

(i think it was that)

rule?
#2
If I was not nice, I'd be like "harmonize them yourself you lazy bugger"

imMaj7 iim7b5 IIIx ivm7 V7 VI7 viidim7

that didn't take me long to type out

but you do understand how they are derived though, right?
#3
surely it's a flattened 7th... though my theory isn't too hot right now...

EDIT: That was to the primary post... and that thing the respondent did was one of the more opaque things i've ever read on this website trying to help someone
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#4
*buzzer noise* that's kinda wrong. what you guys have their is an ascending major scale prog. too simple. for a HARMONIC MINOR prog like you asked for, your chords will go as i ii* III iv V VI VII i. so the thing with harmonic minor is that the 7th scale degree must always be raised (+7). so you can have something like ........ i VI VII V i . you can basically just make one up yourself using prefered bass motions, just make sure you chords are of the correct quality
#5
The Harmonic Minor scale is derived from the harmonized minor scale. In the
harmonized minor scale the V chord is a minor 7th. The V chord *really* wants
to be a dominant 7th(raise the b3). When you do that you get the Harmonic minor scale.

So... a progression in a minor key where the V chord is a Dom7 will work well for
the Harmonic Minor.

EDIT:

Quote by becker009
*buzzer noise* that's kinda wrong. what you guys have their is an ascending major scale prog. too simple. for a HARMONIC MINOR prog like you asked for, your chords will go as i ii* III iv V VI VII i. so the thing with harmonic minor is that the 7th scale degree must always be raised (+7). so you can have something like ........ i VI VII V i . you can basically just make one up yourself using prefered bass motions, just make sure you chords are of the correct quality



Yeah, that's basically right -- raising the 7th scale degree is equivalent to raising
the b3 degree of the V chord. But the REASON the 7th degree is raised stems from
the desirability of making the the v7 a V7 by raising the b3 of the V.
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#6
yea, i understand how theyr made up. it a natural minor with a sharpened 7th. its
1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7 right?
anyways, so i just make up any chord progression as long as it sounds right?
i have this scale book, it says that you can use minor chords. does it have to be ONLY minor chords? what about gmaj or something like that?

and to becker, so minor have different ascending chords than major chrords?

minors go like this right?

minor
diminished
major
minor
major
major
major
minor

right?


and how did you get i VI VII V i?
#7
harmonic minor, as I said above, goes (In A for demonstration)

minor (amMaj7)
diminished (bm7b5)
augmented (Cx)
minor (dm7)
Major (E7)
Major (Fmaj7)
diminished (g#dim7)
#10
im gettng confused lol. ok i just want to know how can you make a chord progression for a harmonic minor scale using the chord scale for minor

minor
diminished
major
minor
MINOR
major
major
minor
#11
To get that harmonic minor sound what you really want is a perfect cadence, so V - i, or for example E7 -am, G7 - cm, you get the picture.

Or if you're basing things around Cmajor (a natural minor) you throw in an E, etc.
#13
so, for harmonic minor, is it this

minor
diminished
major
minor
MINOR
major
major
minor

or this?

minor (mMaj7)
diminished (m7b5)
augmented (x)
minor (m7)
Major (7)
Major (maj7)
diminished (dim7)

or is the difference only in the fact that the second lot are 7th chords?

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#14
Quote by stratman_mjc
so, for harmonic minor, is it this

minor
diminished
major
minor
MINOR
major
major
minor


This is natural minor (aeolian mode). You can see that it's simply the major formula but starting on the minor.



or this?

minor (mMaj7)
diminished (m7b5)
augmented (x)
minor (m7)
Major (7)
Major (maj7)
diminished (dim7)

or is the difference only in the fact that the second lot are 7th chords?

/noob


this is the harmonic minor harmonization. The examples are given in sevenths because I like sevenths - you can use just the triads if you like.

In reality, most usage of the harmonic minor in popular music occurs when you have the V - i ; simply the usage of the V (in am, the E) is enough to create the sound when in the context of a natural minor.
#15
thanks, i get it now
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#16
Heres a fun, simple progression to use (d) harmonic minor over

|: A7 | dm | A7 | dm | gm | dm | A7 | dm (accent beat three than silent) :|

have fun with it!
#17
ohhhhh..i get it, so this is for the harmonic scale

minor (mMaj7)
diminished (m7b5)
augmented (x)
minor (m7)
Major (7)
Major (maj7)
diminished (dim7)

in 7th, but i can also use triads like 1 3b 5.
so for the first chord in the key of A, it would be Aminor, then Bdiminished, Caugmented and so on.

but which is i, III, V so on?
#18
even though its most likely been answered..
whatever

1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7
ex. A B C D E F G#

i(maj7) // Cm // CmMaj7
iim7b5 // Ddim (triad) // Dm7b5
III+ // C+
iv(m7) // Dm // Dm7
V(7) // Emaj // E7
VI // Fmaj7 // F
viidim7 // G#dim7

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#19
Roman numerals are just used for convenience so you don't have to be key specific.

They correspond with degrees of the scale.
#20
Quote by edg
Anywhere there's
a V7-i7 cadence, the harmonic minor would be a nice fit.
As in E7-->Am7? I get how A harmonic minor works over E7, but over Am7?
#21
We can de-construct the scale here. Lets say E harmonic minor.

E F# G A B C D#

To build a standard chord you leap frog the notes.

E: E G B (E minor)

F#: F# A C (F# diminished)

G: G B D# (G augmented)

A: A C E (A minor)

B: B D# F# (B major)

C: C E G (C major)

D#: D# F# A (D#dim)

Add your 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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#24
Quote by edg
Oh, I really meant just over the E7 in that case. For Am it would still work, but for
Am7 you'd probabaly want to go to natural minor.
I figured you meant something like that.