#1
Ok, so upon watching the movie, the original with Gene Wilder, I think thats his name, I noticed something erie about the move. It just seems wierd. It feels as if it has some type of message behind it, a more deep message than what is already present. Oompa Loompas? Giant Geese that lay Golden eggs? the ending where his whol office is in half? there is just this certain enigmatic feeling i get everytime I watch it, I mean not only is a good movie in my opinion, but I swear there is some type of hidden message behind it, subliminal if you will, its just wierd. I dont know, I might be thinking to much, but let me get your insight on the movie.
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#4
wow, i was thinking the same exact thing on the way home from school today...[to thread starter]
#5
Were you stoned when you watched it? I'm pretty sure Roald Dahl didn't have a hidden message, he just liked writing weird stuff.
#7
When I think about it i get the same feeling, i think that movie is a "what goes around comes around" movie, and how no matter what you get what you deserve.
#8
Don't be a spoiled bad kid and get get a candy factory for free.
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wow, i was thinking the same exact thing on the way home from school today...[to thread starter]



so when do we have sex cause you know thats the law.... even if your a dude you saw that snickers commercial its perfectly normal...hahahaha just kidding


but now that i think about there are alot of great one liners in the movie, "we are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dream" it just sounds kick ass and the songs are awesome.
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#11
Well the themes seem to be hope, wonder and respect/behaving as a kid and not spoiling your kid as an adult. I don't know if that helps.
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#12
yeah i know what you mean i get the same feeling watching alice in wonderland lol but i love both movies..
#13
To me it was: Don't a little bitch.
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#14
I always love to look at that movie as a bunch of symbolism.

Such as at the near end, just as Charlie wins, he is in the room with Wonka where everything is half of what it should be.

This symbolizes Wonkas predicament between his pessmistic angry side, and his optimistic kind side. This almost might be symbolizing the fact that the story is only half over, Roald Dahl wrote a fantastic sequel that was never made into a movie called "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator."

Brilliant movie.
#15
Well basically Willy is a huge stoner and randomly decided to buy a chocolate factory coz he had the munchies!
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actually it's saying "this movie is based on a children's book"

This, an absolutely fantastic children's book.

Edit: ^ Holy shit! Did not notice that!

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#18
one time, i was hanging with a friend of mine, and we decided that Willy Wonka is a schizophrenic. it makes sense: he randomly bursts into song, his factory and office are poorly organized, he is quite delusional (believing in imaginary countries and creatures), and he is emotionally unaffected by the children being in grave danger.
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#19
Have you ever read any of Roald Dahl's books?

The guy has written about:

- a couple of insane people who basically rage themselves to death
- a secret order of witches who think children smell like shit and devise a plan to turn every child in the world into a mouse
- a book about a girl in an abusive family who doesn't even know her name and who sends her to school a year too late where she discovers that due to her over-average intelligence and its lack of stimulation she is able to push "tiny little hands" out of her eyes to move objects and end the tyrannical reign of the headmastress and avenge the murder of the headmastress' murder on her teacher's father. She is then promoted to a higher grade where supposedly the hands that come out of her eyes are too busy processing knowledge of a single grade above her that she loses all of her powers. Yes, because those of us who have skipped grades all remember our magical hands that came out of our eyes when we were feeling understimulated.
- a movie about an insane factory owner who has hired 3rd world country workers and is giving out tickets in such a fashion that they can only be found by children - despite the bars containing the tickets supposedly being given out at random. That means that the owners of every store that had a wonka bar with a golden ticket was in on the whole scheme and either wonka was informed of regular purchasers of wonka bars, or it was left to the shop-keepers themselves to decide which children were worthy of being given a chance at wonka's contest.

Roald Dahl was just one fucked up dude, man.
#20
I haven't seen that movie in so long. But it's fun to try to find meaning in seemingly harmless children's books/movies. Apparently the Wizard of Oz is a political allegory for turn of the century America.
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I haven't seen that movie in so long. But it's fun to try to find meaning in seemingly harmless children's books

There is nothing harmless about any of Roald Dahl's books. Refer to my previous post for details.
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There is nothing harmless about any of Roald Dahl's books. Refer to my previous post for details.

I didn't see that until after I posted... yeah, sounds like he was pretty ƒucked up.
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#23
Oh, and I completely forgot about James and the Giant Peach:

A book about a young boy whose parents are killed by a rhinoceros and who is taken care of by his abusive aunts who beat him and force him to work for them until he one day he spills some magic powder on a peach, which grows to a gigantic size, as well as all of the insects that live inside it. He then rolls the giant peach off of the farm, kills his aunts and rides in this peach through the atlantic ocean through many fucked up adventures until he ends up in New York, where the pit of the peach ends up in Central Park where he happily lives his days with his family of giant insects.

And for some reason, when I read this book as a kid, I thought it was perfectly normal.
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Well basically Willy is a huge stoner and randomly decided to buy a chocolate factory coz he had the munchies!


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Oh, and I completely forgot about James and the Giant Peach:

A book about a young boy whose parents are killed by a rhinoceros and who is taken care of by his abusive aunts who beat him and force him to work for them until he one day he spills some magic powder on a peach, which grows to a gigantic size, as well as all of the insects that live inside it. He then rolls the giant peach off of the farm, kills his aunts and rides in this peach through the atlantic ocean through many fucked up adventures until he ends up in New York, where the pit of the peach ends up in Central Park where he happily lives his days with his family of giant insects.

And for some reason, when I read this book as a kid, I thought it was perfectly normal.




I loved that movie though
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Everything Roald Dahl wrote was unquestionably amazing. Even if the subjects are a bit odd.

That's like saying Edgar Allen Poe was a tiny bit dark.
#29
As with everything in life, it all comes down to sex.
It's about self-indulgence, specifically masturbation, and maybe discovering it.
'Willy Wonka' - Do I have to explain that? (Willy Wanker?)
'Chocolate Factory' - Imagine a boy in Charlies situation...And imagine how good masturbation would be to him, it'd be like going to.... A chocolate factory.
Or maybe the chocolate factory is the object of his desires? Maybe a school girl he has feelings for?
Edit: So we're left with 'The Willy Wanker and the School Girl'.
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#31
It's not that hard to figure out. All the other kids were bad, and didn't keep their promise to Mr. Wonka and gave the bad guy the Everlasting Gobstoppers, where as Charlie didn't. Because of this, Charlie won the grand prize.

Also, Charlie had been a good boy his whole life. He finds the golden ticket.

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What the hell, necro-bump.

What possibly made you search for this thread o_O

wtf didn't notice that at all, my bad.

Although... it's not like now that this thread is bumped that there is any reason to lock it if people want to talk about willy wonka and Roald Dahl, it's not like these were new topics when the thread was made, anyways

I'd suggest just leaving this open, since it's obviously getting quite the discussion out of it, regardless of its age.
#33
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That's like saying Edgar Allen Poe was a tiny bit dark.

Poe was a bit dark. A little sinister in parts.
#34
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Oh, and I completely forgot about James and the Giant Peach:

A book about a young boy whose parents are killed by a rhinoceros and who is taken care of by his abusive aunts who beat him and force him to work for them until he one day he spills some magic powder on a peach, which grows to a gigantic size, as well as all of the insects that live inside it. He then rolls the giant peach off of the farm, kills his aunts and rides in this peach through the atlantic ocean through many fucked up adventures until he ends up in New York, where the pit of the peach ends up in Central Park where he happily lives his days with his family of giant insects.

And for some reason, when I read this book as a kid, I thought it was perfectly normal.


Me too!

I really liked that book, but in retrospect, it's pretty fucked up.
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http://www.holyducttape.com/tomservo/wonka.html
You're not the only one...

PS, this is probably a joke analysis
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#37
Actually, Gene Wilder's Wonka is symbolic of the devil. The movie was intended to teach kids a lesson by means of total fear. The tale is much like the tale of Hansel and Grettel and Ring around the Rosy. Both of which "subliminally" speak of dark topics such as cannibalism and plague.
#38
It's obviously based on a pedo. And it's my #1 alltime favourite childhood film. Wonder what that says about me
#40
this thread has been necrobumped twice now... just let it die...
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