#1
www.myspace.com/willrschilling is my myspace and i just posted a really big blog(add me and read it if you want to) But it's basically about my future life since i just graduated and what i plan on doing. I plan on being a Performing musician. But after getting advice from a few experianced musicians, i've really began to realize how insecure my career choice is. I plan on going to the Berklee School of Music Online, and take some courses in Music Theory, Harmony, Ear Training, and Guitar... But i will really have nothing to fall back on if my career doesnt work out the way i want it to, which, there's a good possibility that it might.

I have a girlfriend right now that i love to death and we plan on staying together after Highschool and move to Portland where she can go to college and i can get my band rolling with some shows and stuff. But i need some true advice from some of you, anything, really. If my band doesnt end up hitting it big time, which will most likely happen, but i'm leaving that up to how well we do... then i'll most likely end up working some regular 9-5 job over on the coast somewhere to support my family, i'd be nice to have some sort of music career though... such as music sales, giving lessons, etc, whatever. But i need some advice on what i should do to help prepare myself or just some general things to look out for. Thanks ahead of time.
#3
Do well in your exams. Then concentrate on your band and try and make it big. If this doesn't happen you still have good qualifications to get a decent job with.
#4
Erm, I would say, most UG users are obnoxious american middle class teenagers who will say 'stay in college' as the answer to anything.
I think you should give the music thing a chance, all you can prepare yourself is failure which I'm sure you've considered/worried about. That doesnt sound how I meant it to... I mean like thats the worst that can happen.
Work isn't everything. You work to live not the other way round. So even if you do have some shitey job to support your family you will still be you and be able to make memories and live your life and stuff.

Probably really unhelpful. But...yeah.
#5
Personally? I'd rather be able to spend the rest of my life with a hobby that i'm passionate about (i.e. guitar) then a job thats going to pay through the roof - follow your dreams mate, if nothing else, there's no age restricion on Uni/College - you'll be fine, trust yourself, your girlfriend seems to, that should be enough for you
#6
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Do well in your exams. Then concentrate on your band and try and make it big. If this doesn't happen you still have good qualifications to get a decent job with.


What kind of good qualifications do you mean? I'm planning on going for my Professionals Certificate in Harmony and Ear Training, then my Specialist's Cert. in Guitar Skills, and recently i've been looking into getting my Specialist's Cert. in Music Business as well, cuz i believe that would help me out in the industry a little bit. About the only thing music related that i can see myself going into if the Performance(touring, making CD's, etc) setup doesnt work, is like giving lessons or working at a Guitar Shop or something. I guess i am kinda worrying a little too much about this but i cant help it, i mean i just Graduated Early and i get my diploma in may and then i'm DONE and on my own, of course i'm gonna think about this stuff and it's gonna worry me.

And, if you havent read the blog, i dont plan on going into a music career if it makes me break with my girlfriend and completely dedicate myself to music to succeed(that sounds like i am way too attached to my girlfiend, but that's not what i mean, i mean girlfriend in GENERAL. and later, my WIFE) She actually plans on going into something like Sound Editing and she supports me 100% and will stick by me even if we dont see eachother for long periods of time. I basically have two dreams in life, To be successful in a music career, and to grow old with the one i marry and have a family. I can settle for a mediocre Music career that suits me or keeps me happy, but if the family thing struggles because of it, it will destroy me.
#7
If you've got extra cash somewhere, or a good credit rating (i know this is a real shot in the dark)... and music is your passion... could you open a guitar store?
#8
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If you've got extra cash somewhere, or a good credit rating (i know this is a real shot in the dark)... and music is your passion... could you open a guitar store?


That's something i guess i could have as a fall-back plan... I dont really have ALOT of money or anything but my parents are pretty well off and are paying for all my Berklee stuff, which is gonna be around 15g's. But i will definately keep that one in mind. I've always had somewhat of a knack/love for tech stuff like guitars and sales.
#11
Well heres the thing. Your kinda dreaming about the girl. I thought it with a couple girls I was with, we were togather years. It wont happen.

If you go to berkelle online, a certificate is not a degree. If you go on campus you can get the degree. You wont be able to get a business loan with a certificate. Dont settle and dont base your life around this girl. Live for yourself. You live once so just work at it.

My advice, move to boston for a year, which is where the campus is and get a degree. And why portland?
#12
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Well heres the thing. Your kinda dreaming about the girl. I thought it with a couple girls I was with, we were togather years. It wont happen.

If you go to berkelle online, a certificate is not a degree. If you go on campus you can get the degree. You wont be able to get a business loan with a certificate. Dont settle and dont base your life around this girl. Live for yourself. You live once so just work at it.

My advice, move to boston for a year, which is where the campus is and get a degree. And why portland?


I'm not basing my life on her dude. She's supporting ME the whole way and is letting me do whatever I want, we're not clingy at all, and wont be. She's got her college stuff planned out already and plans to stick to that whether i'm still with her or not.

I dont plan on doing anything requiring a degree either, i'm just taking courses in theory and guitar(basically), and a business course(it's not a major course either, just informational and instructional) to help my band not get screwed over because we dont know anything.

And Portland because we were originally planning on Seattle(my band) but i've talked to alot of guys over there(some of them good friends in bands) and they have all said to stay away from Seattle because it's music scene is always at eachother's throats and Portland is a much better choice. And i also believe that Seaside, Oregon is the most beautiful place on freakin EARTH and i want to be close to it and visiit it on occation. The fact that my Girlfriend is going to Portland for College has nothing to do with our reason.
#13
maybe a 2 year course for radiology or some thing along the lines of medicine like a technician or nurse or anything in the medical field u can do it anywhere they always need help and get paid well plus its only a a few years in school and u can have time to work with your band especially if its a community college
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#15
Well, if you're a guitar teacher, by God don't be a deadbeat one. I haven't heard from my guitar teacher in over four months. I set up fugging weekly lessons!

Just give it all you've got, is all I can really say other than that.

By the way, congrats on your plans to move to Portland. Great city.
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#16
I say: Go go learn something other than music at College, but do keep the band thing Rolling in the meantime.

I also decided against studying music because its insecure, you just live from paycheck to paycheck (or gig to gig) if you don't make it big.
I see it that way- Whatever I do, I can still always play music, just not for a living but for fun!
#17
There are plenty of 9 to 5 jobs that will help you continue your dream of working in music, even if it doesn;t all work out for your band. Like the above said, you could always become a teacher. I myself am hoping to get a job working in a studio somewhere, and possily work with a record company maybe. All things you could look at doing.
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#18
don't never ever become a barber. It sucks a$$. I hate dealing with the rude and often stupid customers who want what their hair can't do. I hate having to explain everything i am doing. I hate having to sell product to someone who i know will never use it, and i hate having to pretend i give a rats. If i was not good at it i would do something else, but i am, and unfortunatly i don't know what else to do. If you can persue that small window of oppurtunity, do it, just remember you will have to be versitile, creative, and master your instrument, and remember there are 1000"s of others out there so you need to stand out. Otherwise, law pays heaps.
#19
Quote by MattIgoe0108
There are plenty of 9 to 5 jobs that will help you continue your dream of working in music, even if it doesn;t all work out for your band. Like the above said, you could always become a teacher. I myself am hoping to get a job working in a studio somewhere, and possily work with a record company maybe. All things you could look at doing.


Yeah, but is working a 9 to 5 job really going to satisfy you in your life? There will come a day when you'll want all that nice stuff, and find you can't afford it. Now that would suck.
#21
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Yeah, but is working a 9 to 5 job really going to satisfy you in your life? There will come a day when you'll want all that nice stuff, and find you can't afford it. Now that would suck.


As long as i can provide for my family then im happy. TRuth be told, yeah, i did think about becoming a professional musician for a while, but 2 things kinda stopped me.

1/ Im not realy that good.

2/ Even if i get that good, i don't want to be risking not only my future, but that of my wife and children on my dream.

Who knows, maybe it will all work out for me, maybe it will work out for the guy posting, but with life comes responsibility, which means you sometimes have to make sacrifices. I don't think id ever want all that nice stuff enough to put aside the wellbeing of those who rely on me.
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#22
dont count on you and your g/f staying together - i really would trust me on this


so basically dont make any major decisions based upon you two staying together..your still young and thing WILL change


as far as the music career goes, i say go for it..


if you want it bad enough you'll make it
#23
Quote by MattIgoe0108
As long as i can provide for my family then im happy. TRuth be told, yeah, i did think about becoming a professional musician for a while, but 2 things kinda stopped me.

1/ Im not realy that good.

2/ Even if i get that good, i don't want to be risking not only my future, but that of my wife and children on my dream.

Who knows, maybe it will all work out for me, maybe it will work out for the guy posting, but with life comes responsibility, which means you sometimes have to make sacrifices. I don't think id ever want all that nice stuff enough to put aside the wellbeing of those who rely on me.


Yeah, that's what stopped me from studying music, too.
I kinda dont get the second part of your post though; see, if you can afford nice stuff, then you can most definitely provide for your family.
#24
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Yeah, that's what stopped me from studying music, too.
I kinda dont get the second part of your post though; see, if you can afford nice stuff, then you can most definitely provide for your family.


I agree with you, but for the most part, its a big risk as to whether or not you will get that nice stuff. So even if i did go for something like that, i wouldn't do it without some sort of 9 to 5 backup job. If it all doesn't work out, then not only would i be screwed, so would my family.
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#25
Quote by MattIgoe0108
I agree with you, but for the most part, its a big risk as to whether or not you will get that nice stuff. So even if i did go for something like that, i wouldn't do it without some sort of 9 to 5 backup job. If it all doesn't work out, then not only would i be screwed, so would my family.


Are you talking about a career in music? I'm talking about going to college and studying something different than fine arts.
#26
Quote by MattIgoe0108
As long as i can provide for my family then im happy. TRuth be told, yeah, i did think about becoming a professional musician for a while, but 2 things kinda stopped me.

1/ Im not realy that good.

2/ Even if i get that good, i don't want to be risking not only my future, but that of my wife and children on my dream.

Who knows, maybe it will all work out for me, maybe it will work out for the guy posting, but with life comes responsibility, which means you sometimes have to make sacrifices. I don't think id ever want all that nice stuff enough to put aside the wellbeing of those who rely on me.


Yeah dude, this is reminding me so much of myself. Not so much #1 but mainly #2. Because my two dreams in life are to be successful in a music field(whether it be performing, studio work, sales, whatever!) AND to have a loving, stable family. I can make compromises and sacrifices on the music part to keep the family part going, and that will very likely happen. Working a 9-5 job like i said would be good enough for a LITTLE WHILE, but in the end that would not satisfy me at all. This thread just boomed since my last post last night.
#27
Things might be totally different in the US as they are to Britain... but over here, I went to Uni for two reasons.

a) to get a degree which will always give me a job to fall back on
b) to have a band and spend 3-5 years trying to get somewhere with it before giving up on that dream


College seems like the perfect kind of place to nurture a band and to get fans and stuff... most of the bands that gain success from a wave of popularity rise out of the college scene... dont see this as a one or the other option between a career and your musical aspirations.
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RobbieMac2002 gives good advice.
#28
when you get to portland, take some classes at a college, working towards something you can fall back on...
#29
Quote by alreadygone
Are you talking about a career in music? I'm talking about going to college and studying something different than fine arts.


Yeah, i was trying to show a compromise between risking everything for a music dream and ending up in a job you hate, by saying there are more stable jobs working 9 to 5 in the music field.

Sorry,probably should have made that clearer. My bad
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#30
you could play at cheap bars for low paying gigs.......thats how my guitar teacher started out, and he was only 16 when he did

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