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#1
I'm just wondering since everyone says, "Hmm, it seems that your ear hasn't really developed for tone yet." How could you tell when your ear developed? I mean, personally, the way I determine if I like a tone or not is that I close my eyes, hear the tone and visualize it.

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#2
i got know idea what ur talkin bout, y would ur ear have to"develope" to hear something? i here tones fine. all i do is just listen.
#3
only quite recently i started thinking that open chords on a solid-body electric guitar through a solid state amp sound awful, unless you put the bass really high and the treble quite low.

and over time ive gradually noticed bass more and more, like before i started playing guitar, if my subwoofer broke i wouldnt have noticed, but now every time i listen to a song i think "hmm the bass has stopped, is there something wrong with my subwoofer?"
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Thats a bit deep dont you think, Jinskee?

I dont know. I just finally got to the point to where I could tell if it was something I liked. People have questioned my ear for tone before but it has all been something I liked. Whether it be a Line 6 Spider or a Hughes and Kettner right down to my VJ. But I know that theres more to tone then just and amp, so when I test tone I try to take my guitar and use the same setup that I have at home, since I cant very well take my pedal boardto GC or some place. I just buy what sounds good to me. Tone is subjective anyway so I dont really understand people talking about their ear for tone.
#5
I would say for me...not that long ago actually....probably about...November of last year, after I'd been playing just under 2 years.

I say that cause that was basically around the time I started to REALLY notice the crapness of my MG
#6
i think an ear for tone is subjective to what kind of tone you like, but i played other instruments before guitar, so in a way i kinda always have had an ear for what sounds alright and what doesn't, i don't think you have to have the most expensive gear around to have a good ear for tone, and sometimes people on here, if you don't have a tube amp or a name brand guitar, then they think you automatically don't have an ear for tone, i'm happy with my setup, i think if you like the sound of what you have then that's all that matters, it's your gear, and if you like it why worry about what other people think, just my opinion
#7
begin.of this school year... after i picked up my guitar again.
toen developed, i knew what note sounds were ... etc etc
also, i relized the crappyness of the mg :P
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A couple of weeks ago, when i tried to play piano. i could "tab" out stuff like iron man, for the love of god etc. with 2 tones of the start on the piano by ear and logic sense =)
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when i realized that my digitech metal master sounded like crap compared to my amp's overdrive. and also that scooping mids actually doesn't sound very good.
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I think you really just think stuff sounds good until you experience something that sounds better. Like I thought my Valvetronix was great but then I started trying some actual tube amps when I could afford one and now I can tell that it isn't THAT great.
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^I'm in your spot FFDFEFRERE#R# (lol).

Same thing happened to me.
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When i noticed it? When i was a n00b and had played for less than a month i tried an Epiphoen G310 and a G400 plugged into a Vox Valvetronix and could hear the difference between them. I remeber how much fuller and better the G400 sounded.
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I eventually tried to lsten to as many songs as possible, and write down the qualities of tone. Every guitarist has that point when they think their practice amp has good distortion. Later, you realize that there's more to it than that.
#16
Probably when I started my new band. I thought my little Fender 65 watt was on top of the world until I started jamming with some friends, and I was put up against the other guitarists Crate. (Yes, I know it's Crate, but it made me realize my Fender sucked.)

And then once I got my JSX, my ear for tone has greatly improved. I've become very picky about my tone.
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#17
It depends on what kind of music your playing. If its classic stuff go with an old amp and you cant really go worng.

But for newer heavier stuff. You have developed a good ear when you realize scooping your mids out is dumb and you dont need your gain as i high as you once thought. When you come to terms with hey if i turn my gain down a little bit and boost my mids a little bit this is gonna sound alot better then your heading in the right direction. You will definitly notice it when you play live. Try it play live with your mids scooped out you might as well just unplug and go watch as they arent gonna hear you anyway
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that "developing your ear for tone" is bullshit people use to make their tastes seem superior to others. I know what sounds good and i pretty much always have.
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Your QUEST for tone has developed when you begin to ask questions like this. God speed.
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My ear for tone got better after I got a job to pay for decent stuff.
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that "developing your ear for tone" is bullshit people use to make their tastes seem superior to others. I know what sounds good and i pretty much always have.


Now who's sounding superior? That's bollocks I'm afraid, nobody knows jack about their tone when they start out, if you believe that then you must still sound pants!

If that's the case why are there so many videos on youtube that sound like ass - you wouldn't put anything on there unless you though it sounded good. I'm not talking about people's level of ability, just the tone they have....no mids, too much fizzy gain, too much bass.

You may know the sounds you want to get out of your guitar, but it takes time to learn how to ge then out of your equipment and even longer to recognise when you've actually got them yourself - quite often you think you've got something good but it just sounds shit. A lot of players, particularly the younger ones, just want to make noise at first hence BOSS's healthy MT-2 sales - to a serious guitarist that pedal's only one step up from Guitar Hero.

Your ears are perfectly capable of differentiating the timbres of two different notes, spotting if your EQ'ing is wrong or recognising the chartacteristics of distortion. However, your brain isn't - everyday hearing doesn't require it to go into that sort of detail. We recognise voices, but we get other cues like the visual one when you see someones face...ever wondered why you don't always recognise someone's voice on the phone? It's not just the sound quality, it's because you're hearing the sound in isolation without anything else to trigger recognition (unless you've got caller ID!).

With musical tones in any instrument you need to build up a "library" of sounds in your head to compare and understand how they're formed, the more you listen to the more reference material the brain has to draw from. You also train your brain to analyze those particular sounds more, it realises "These sounds are important, i'll devote more time to them". As far as your own guitar sound goes, most guitarists listen to a lot of music, and the more familiar you become with certain sounds and the more likely you are to either recognise it when it comes out of your amp, or identify which components of it are missing if you can't get it.
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I played enough stuff to know what sounded good and what didn't.
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that "developing your ear for tone" is bullshit people use to make their tastes seem superior to others. I know what sounds good and i pretty much always have.


usually i agree wt u, but not here.

it took my friend months of specialized air force classes to train her ear to pick up and differentiate sensitive high pitched tones, when she was a morse code operator.


we all go thru a growing period. at first not being able to tune a guitar by ear. eventually being able to find an E anywhere on the board.

it's true of any skill. someone trained is more apt to find flaws and/ or fully appreciate works of art in that field.
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Hmm, I don't remember it happening. Because my dad and brother are both DJ's, I've been surrounded with music and good equipment all my life. Because of that, I developed a good ear and started putting it to use within a couple of months of picking up a guitar.
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When I got a decent Les Paul copy and Bluesbreaker II pedal to de-shitty-fy my MG15DFX.

However I played an SG Standard last week through a Line 6 all-tube job (can't remember which model) with the Bluesbreaker and I realised how woolly my Les Paul is in comparison.
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i wasnt aware line6 did tube amps
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It was when I played an amp that wasn't an MG...I guess playing different guitars gave me a better ear for tone too...
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that "developing your ear for tone" is bullshit people use to make their tastes seem superior to others. I know what sounds good and i pretty much always have.
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before i started playing.

My favorite tone inspired me to play (Brian May FTW)
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Clapton on the Bluesbreakers album was pretty much what got me hooked...and gave rise to my UG name. (Cos I have THE tone...or will have when I get my SG..and then my Vox.. )
#35
^Good luck on that one.

Well, the artists who have inspired me to reach tone would probably have to be alot of the cliche' rock artists; clapton, page, vai, and slash. I don't care what you think, if you think they're overrated or whatever--they're great gutiarists and they truely revolutionized my ability to hear.

Man, I love their tone.
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#36
I still say the "ear for tone" thing is bullshit, especially the way most people here use it, tone is completely subjective, yet anytime someone here claims to get a sound they like out of a generally poorly regarded amp about ten people come in bitching about how they havent developed thier "ear for tone" that just screams elitist bullshit. You dont need to have specific training or development to find a sound you like, only to find a sound that the UG tone snobs like.
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i was just saying that u can train ur ear.

not to say which tone is "better."


two different things.
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#38
meh, I think most newbs really can't tell the difference between nice guitars/amps in terms of sound.

I'm not being elitist either. I really started to hear the difference after about two months of playing...
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i was just saying that u can train ur ear.

not to say which tone is "better."


two different things.


yeah, thats true, but training your ear to find a suitable timbre that you like is pretty damn hard since its completely subjective, you just happen to know what you like. Training your ear to recognize certain pitches is completely different.

When people talk about an "ear for tone" they are talking about the former.
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meh, I think most newbs really can't tell the difference between nice guitars/amps in terms of sound.

I'm not being elitist either. I really started to hear the difference after about two months of playing...



+1. When i started out I had a crappy $200 Strat copy that i had never heard of. (it was a GK ). i also have a Vibe amp which I had never heard of, and I thought it sounded like the best thing in the world. Then I upgraded to a Fender Princeton 65 watt and thought that was the shizzle. Even up against other people's decent amps, like a Crate 212 (I know it's Crate, but I thought it sounded awesome at the time), I still thought my Fender was hXc. Yea, when you start out, you think your sound is the best sound ever, until you play around, and train your ear a little more.
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