#1
People, JIMMY PAGE IS NOT GOD! NOR IS HE THE GREATEST GUITARIST EVER! If anything, he was a thief. Listen to the album TRUTH by The Jeff Beck Group and then to Led Zeppelin I, TRUTH came out first, and Jimmy Page rips off Jeff Beck. Also, listen to the song "Taurus" by Spirit, a song that came out in 1967, Jimmy Page rips off that riff for the "genius riff" of "Stairway To Heaven". Not to mention their whole ripping off Muddy Waters with the song that Willie Dixon wrote called "You Need Love", "Whole Lotta Love" sounds suspiciously similar.

Now for the other part of my argument. As a guitar player, he's not that great or at all innovative when compared to the likes of Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Johnny Winter, Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townshend, Peter Green, David Gilmour, Buddy Guy, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Johnson, etc. He may have been technically better than, say, Townshend or Green, but Townshend is a genius songwriter who comes up with truly original ideas and innovations. Jimmy Page, when compared to these guitarists, is pretty generic.

These are my arguments, say what you will, but don't start a flamewar. And please, I want INTELLIGENT responses, no Zep fanboys saying "OMG, Liek, Page iz GOD!!" Please give reasons to back up your argument if you disagree. I did.
#4
WHAT? Has UG gone mad? First some guy says Kurt Cobain pwns Hendrix, now this?!?
Whole Lotta Love was a cover. He "ripped it off" ON PURPOSE. Just like the Lemon Song "stole" from Killing Floor. Come on.

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#9
agree completely
bout time someone says sumthing bout page without it ending in 'god'...
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#10
Frankly, unless you have seen each and every guitarist you listed perform in the flesh, and have studied their guitar-playing down to the very last detail, your opinion means nothing.

Also, there is not a guitarist in the entire universe that hasn't consciously or subconsciously "ripped off" somebody else's riff or melody, so please don't attempt to downgrade Page's quality because of this.

Last but certainly not least, his guitar-playing has moved millions of fans and non-fans worldwide to the point that Led Zeppelin tunes are immortalized in the annals of rock 'n' roll history.

I hope my response was intelligent enough for you.
#12
Page and Beck were/are good friends (Beck gave Page the Tele he used on Stairway). They grew up like only ten miles apart. They were even in the same band. Under those circumstances, it's not surprising that they sounded alike in the beginning. Clearly, though, both their styles have changed significantly.

Now for the other part of my argument. As a guitar player, he's not that great or at all innovative when compared to the likes of Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Johnny Winter, Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townshend, Peter Green, David Gilmour, Buddy Guy, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Johnson, etc. He may have been technically better than, say, Townshend or Green, but Townshend is a genius songwriter who comes up with truly original ideas and innovations. Jimmy Page, when compared to these guitarists, is pretty generic.


Playing with a violin bow isn't generic IMO. Also, he was one of the first to use a wah-wah pedal (or so I've read). Also, Led Zeppelin is much heavier than most music that was being released at the time. I think he was also one of the first people to overdub a bunch of guitar tracks to give him a huge sound.

And to say that Jimmy Page isn't a brilliant songwriter is definitely your opinion (and maybe only yours :P). Not only did he come up with AWESOME riffs (Black Dog, Heartbreaker, Immigrant Song, Dazed and Confused, Communication Breakdown, Dancing Days, Kashmir, The Ocean, and SOOO many more), he also had amazing solos (Stairway obviously, Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, Achilles Last Stand, Since I've Been Loving You, etc...). Though most people would agree that he's not the greatest guitarist ever, most of them would also be able to name at least 10 Zeppelin songs that they like. And he's definitely not the worst guitarist either.
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i get so tired of people on this website bashing anyone who did anything like anyone did before...people who bash elvis because he took blues songs and made him his own..people who bash clapton and stevie..and zeppelin as well...jimmy page was brilliant...do you not think for one moment that he didn't realize he was using those riffs? what is so wrong about taking a riff or song and making it your own?
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Jimmy Page was in Yardbirds and he was in The Firm so this doesn't really have to go to the Led Zeppelin only thread technically. Jimmy Page is NOT Led Zeppelin, regardless of how much all the fans want him to be.

Jimmy Page is the most overated guitarist ever. And it is MOSTLY done by fans that have no real idea why they think he is so great. Yeah, he is much better than me or I ever will be but I shouldn't be the gauge and I am not. Compared to other legends he is unoriginal, sloppy and not that great in comparision.

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i get so tired of people on this website bashing anyone who did anything like anyone did before...people who bash elvis because he took blues songs and made him his own..people who bash clapton and stevie..and zeppelin as well...jimmy page was brilliant...do you not think for one moment that he didn't realize he was using those riffs? what is so wrong about taking a riff or song and making it your own?


Ok, I will let you in a little fact. When the Beastie Boys sampled Led Zeppelin on "Licence To Ill" Page was furious. He was quoted as saying "All they do is steal your music and yell at you." Page had the nerve to get mad because people took parts of his music. Meanwhile in the past he stole Gallis Pole from traditional folk and called in Galows Pole. He stole "In My Time of Dying" made it electric and put his name on it along with the rest of Zeppelin. He is a fricking hypocrite.
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i like how much page is accused of stealing becks style and what not. they grew up together and shared everything they know about guitar with each other. Of course their style is goin to sound similar. JIMMY IS A GOD
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#18
And yet as much as you can give examples of things Page borrowed from other artists, he was also brilliantly creative himself, and while he is sloppy, the stuff he's playing is musically extremely interesting.
#19
You're all retarded. I thought this thread was gonna be fun but it's just shit. A whole load of uneducated arguments. Ripping on Page is old. Everyone with half smarts KNOWS he's an absolute joke. Everyone else is just delusional. You all suck at life.
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People, JIMMY PAGE IS NOT GOD! NOR IS HE THE GREATEST GUITARIST EVER! If anything, he was a thief. Listen to the album TRUTH by The Jeff Beck Group and then to Led Zeppelin I, TRUTH came out first, and Jimmy Page rips off Jeff Beck. Also, listen to the song "Taurus" by Spirit, a song that came out in 1967, Jimmy Page rips off that riff for the "genius riff" of "Stairway To Heaven". Not to mention their whole ripping off Muddy Waters with the song that Willie Dixon wrote called "You Need Love", "Whole Lotta Love" sounds suspiciously similar.


I fully agree with you in that Jimmy is not god, as well as the fact that he is not the greatest guitarist ever. But...

Have you even listened to Taurus? Or are you just quoting what every Page-basher says? The only thing similar between the two songs is the chord progression, which, for the record, was taken with permission from Sprit.

Not to mention that Dixon is credited (though I don't believe he was before) for Whole Lotta Love.

Jimmy may have ripped off from other artists more than your average songwriter did, but IMO his original stuff more than makes up for it.

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#21
Apart from writing too many good songs to even begin to mention, he had one of the most energetic and spontanius approaches to the guitar I've heard from a heavy rock band. He was sloppy as hell, because he got ideas that went slightly beyond his technical capabilities and just went for it. Put on a show. I love that! And so do alot of people. No, he's not Steve Vai, he never quite reaches the level of Hendrix, some of his solos aren't that great, but that doesn't stop Dazed and Confused from being excellent.

Have you heard the live 3 disc set How The West Was Won? Listen to that and you'll find people like the guy for a damn good reason... As far as being 'a guitar god', nobody is. Just some people sound good with a guitar in their hands and some don't. The deification of rock stars is just dumb.
#22
I enjoy Jimmy Page's guitar playing. Yes, he may have ripped stuff off old bluesmen and yes, he may not be an elite guitarist when it comes to absolute skill. In fact, I don't really care if people like him or not. I just can't work myself up enough to care. But I enjoy him, and I don't feel guilty about it.
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#23
i totally despise led zeppelin once i found out and verified that many of their songs were indeed taken from other artists. no matter how talented they are i refuse to listen to them.
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#24
I agree, in part, with a lot of your ideas. However, i think anyone who bemoans his 'sloppy' style (not necessarily the threadstarter, just generally), or his lack of originality, is missing the point a little. The fact of the matter is that with (certainly by today's standards) relatively little actual technical expertise, he managed to take what was basically delta blues, make it a lot more accessible and up-to-date and bring it to a far wider audience, thus elevating himself from an ugly litte posh kid from Hounslow to the leader, producer and writer for one of the biggest bands in history, and that is something that few, if any, of the other artists you mentioned (most of whom i too am a bigger fan of than led zep) managed to do.
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And the award for the most educated argument goes too...

But seriously don't even post your argument iv'e heard it numerous times. Just pointing out the sheer irony of your post.
Don't you think its a bit of a bold statement to say that every person who doesn't despise Page is a bone head? Also, don't post if you aren't gonna say anything productive.. ESPECIALLY when its even half as hypocritical as what you posted.

Secondly to threadstarter, search please, its been done, and then done, and then done.

But since I'm sure you won't search, lemme tell you who said it best. I was down in North Carolina and they were broadcasting some radio show by Alice Cooper. So he plays Whole Lotta Love and mentions how this song had a big case with Dixon and all. Well Dixon more than likely got it from some uncle or what not. That uncle probably got it from his cotton picking neighbour who got it from who knows where. And Idc where it came from, I never heard a version as rocking as Zeppelin's.

Who knows, sure lets say Dixon did write it. OK so listen to his version of Zeppelin's doesnt appeal to you based on the fact that it isnt there's originally. Don't get me wrong, I like the blues a ton and Dixon is an extremely respectable song writer and all, BUT PLEASE DONT MAKE THESE POSTS, TRYING TO START AN ANTI ZEP REVOLUTION. YOU GAIN NOTHING FROM IT SO WHY BOTHER????? DON'T LIKE THEM?? DONT LISTEN TO THEM..................................TTTAADDDAA
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